Is Flight Assist Off is redundant?

[Literalyte]

As you can see in this video, flight assist practically serves no use if you can perfect the use of lateral thrusters. There is no move that cannot be done with FA-on, that can with FA-off.

Whenever I see people using FA-off, I cannot help but wonder, why?

Oops, an extra 'is' in the title.

 

[Captain N]

I've been trying to tell people this for months.

And yet, I still keep using FAOFF. Old habits die hard.

 

[Jack Booted Thug]

As you can see in this video, flight assist practically serves no use if you can perfect the use of lateral thrusters. There is no move that cannot be done with FA-on, that can with FA-off.

Whenever I see people using FA-off, I cannot help but wonder, why?

Oops, an extra 'is' in the title.

Flight assist is not redundant because you are still able to freely move about your axis without changing your vector.

Any use of a lateral thruster will result in a change of vector.

I use flight assist off for strafing an Anaconda from time to time. I also use it to face pursuers without changing my vector.

Sure you can use the lateral thrusters (I use them all the time) effectively but they by no means make using Flight Assist Off mode redundant. Now that is not to say that people are not using FA-Off in redundant or less than optimal ways.

Here is my Crimson Triumph video which I put up last night in response to someone posting a thread asking for help in regards to this mission...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEy9PGjDFig

 

[Literalyte]

Flight assist is not redundant because you are still able to freely move about your axis without changing your vector.

You can do this with lateral thrusters if you simply parametrise your movement relative to your current velocity.

For example, if you are turning to face the enemy, you need to inversely relate vertical and backward thruster so that you turn on a line, and not a slight curve.

 

[Captain N]

I wonder, though, about the usefulness of the ability to fly on a straight unchanging vector for any sustained duration of time.

Normally you wouldn't want to do that during combat.

 

[Literalyte]

I wonder, though, about the usefulness of the ability to fly on a straight unchanging vector for any sustained duration of time

Flying through asteroids comes to mind.

Make sure you're not on a collision course, then turn to face the enemy.

 

[Captain N]

You have the NAVI warning for that.

See it light up, change your vector. Any change will usually do, and you'll be in the clear.

Not making evasive manoeuvres while under fire is usually a bigger hazard than any asteroid.

 

[Jack Booted Thug]

You can do this with lateral thrusters if you simply parametrise your movement relative to your current velocity.

For example, if you are turning to face the enemy, you need to inversely relate vertical and backward thruster so that you turn on a line, and not a slight curve.

That is obvious but you are missing my point entirely if that is your focus. I wasn't speaking about that.

 

[Literalyte]

That is obvious but you are missing my point entirely if that is your focus. I wasn't speaking about that.

I think I did respond to your point of changing vectors.

Any use of a lateral thruster will result in a change of vector.

This is wrong. If you turn and use lateral thrusters accordingly, your vector will have consistent magnitude and direction.

Sure you can use the lateral thrusters (I use them all the time) effectively

The video you linked showed you rarely using them, and not to much effect. For example at 0:29, you should have slowed and used your vertical thrusters. At 0:58 you should have used your left thruster, full yaw, downward thruster with roll/pitch to match.

1:11, you should have used the vertical thruster, maximally. Full yaw, pitch/roll to balance.

etc.

 

[Thygrrr]

You can use FA-Off to yaw really quickly.

Also, with lateral thrusters, you can't easily just fly on in a straight line without modifying at least three control axes at the same time.

 

[Commandr Sam]

As you can see in this video, flight assist practically serves no use if you can perfect the use of lateral thrusters. There is no move that cannot be done with FA-on, that can with FA-off.

Whenever I see people using FA-off, I cannot help but wonder, why?

Oops, an extra 'is' in the title.

If you cheat and use external software to blance verical thrust and main thrust yes, if you play the game as designed no a player using FA Off will have an advantage.

 

[Lobster]

I mostly use it when an NPC is hugging me in a turning battle. Rather than simply trying to win the turning battle, I can fly straight in any direction, switch FA-Off, and turn around to face him chasing me. The same tactic has helped me win a couple of player-vs-player fights too, because people don't expect you to turn on a dime while moving away. It can cause people to panic a lot of the time.

 

[Jack Booted Thug]

I think I did respond to your point of changing vectors.



This is wrong. If you turn and use lateral thrusters accordingly, your vector will have consistent magnitude and direction.



The video you linked showed you rarely using them, and not to much effect. For example at 0:29, you should have slowed and used your vertical thrusters. At 0:58 you should have used your left thruster, full yaw, downward thruster with roll/pitch to match.

1:11, you should have used the vertical thruster, maximally. Full yaw, pitch/roll to balance.

etc.

I was actually using my lateral thrusters for practically the entirety of the video. It may not be as apparent just watching.

Anyway I am not here to argue.

 

[Ben Ryder]

As you can see in this video, flight assist practically serves no use if you can perfect the use of lateral thrusters. There is no move that cannot be done with FA-on, that can with FA-off.

Whenever I see people using FA-off, I cannot help but wonder, why?

Oops, an extra 'is' in the title.

flight assist off has a few very very special uses that come with realisation. when you get ityoureally get it

 

[el_tel]

FAOFF is useful for silent running. You keep moving with engines off and minimal heat output

 

[JughedJones]

FAOFF is useful for silent running. You keep moving with engines off and minimal heat output

Boom.

 

[Literalyte]

flight assist off has a few very very special uses that come with realisation. when you get ityoureally get it

I have used FA-off extensively. I have found no such uses that cannot be replicated with FA-on.

FAOFF is useful for silent running. You keep moving with engines off and minimal heat output

Ah yes! Good point.

 

[JughedJones]

I have used FA-off extensively. I have found no such uses that cannot be replicated with FA-on.

Look above you

 

[Smugallo]

FA off is great and I use it all the time during combat to negate never ending turning battles against ships with a similar turn rate ie sidewinder v sidewinder. So it's not redundant for me.

 

[Trash Gordon]

Yeah so its usefulness is limited to turning it of for a few seconds to turn.

Is there a point to keep running cool after shooting starts ? I imagine once battle begins you are firing thrusters and guns anyway so its more of stalking your prey tool than something thats usefull once dogfighting started.
Are there any pilots here who use FA off for the whole time of a battle?

(in before Isinona vid.)