Is frontier going to do some tweaking to Teegarden's Star after the recent discovery?

Sapyx

Sapyx
Changing star systems is tricky. FD have said in the past that they can add plasnets to a star system relatively easily, but they can't delete them, or insert new planets in between currently existing ones. Not without deleting the entire star syatem and replacing it, anyway. In the case of Teegarden's Star, the two new planets are very closse to the star (as would be expected for planets found by spectral wobbling). So they can't insert the new planets without deleting the old ones. This is, from feedback previously provided by FD, more trouble than it's worth doing.
 

VR SenseiMatty

VR SenseiMatty
I've read somewhere that ELW may be more common than what we think and definitely more common than in ED (outside of the bubble of course).
If I find the article I will post it here
 

VR SenseiMatty

VR SenseiMatty
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/...bility-of-life-on-other-planets/#29a6f4ff6fdf

now we know that most stars have solar systems, so there may be billions of planets quite like planet Earth just in our own galaxy, the Milky Way
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So in a 400 bilion star systems galaxy there might be at least 1 bilion ELW.
The Elite Dangerous community discovered 112 milion systems (data from March 2018), which could be now (more than 1 year later) more than 154 milion. According to this statistic we should have discovered at least 385'000 ELW.
It's roughly 1 ELW every 400 jumps which sounds reasonable to me... Sometimes I find nothing for a thousand jumps and the I find them in couple.

It would be interesting to know how many ELW have been discoveder by the community.
 

Ian Doncaster

Ian Doncaster
SenseiMatty said:
So in a 400 bilion star systems galaxy there might be at least 1 bilion ELW.
The Elite Dangerous community discovered 112 milion systems (data from March 2018), which could be now (more than 1 year later) more than 154 milion. According to this statistic we should have discovered at least 385'000 ELW.
It's roughly 1 ELW every 400 jumps which sounds reasonable to me... Sometimes I find nothing for a thousand jumps and the I find them in couple.

It would be interesting to know how many ELW have been discoveder by the community.
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About 130,000 catalogued on EDSM, out of 40 million systems, so about 1 in 300 systems. Bearing in mind that explorers are less likely to visit brown-dwarf primary systems, and those systems are much less likely to have ELWs, the true ratio is probably lower than 1 in 300.
 

VR SenseiMatty

VR SenseiMatty
Ian Doncaster said:
About 130,000 catalogued on EDSM, out of 40 million systems, so about 1 in 300 systems. Bearing in mind that explorers are less likely to visit brown-dwarf primary systems, and those systems are much less likely to have ELWs, the true ratio is probably lower than 1 in 300.
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So it seems we're almost in line. I guess most players don't log discoveries on EDSM (I only started recently).
 

Ian Doncaster

Ian Doncaster
SenseiMatty said:
So it seems we're almost in line. I guess most players don't log discoveries on EDSM (I only started recently).
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Probably between 10% and 15% of player activity makes its way to EDDN, and as the more active players are far more likely to use the third-party tools which feed EDDN, probably a considerably lower percentage of actual players.
 

Sapyx

Sapyx
Also bear in mind that "Earth-like world" has a much narrower definition out there in real-world science than it does in ED. In ED, it's a planet where Humans could take off their spacesuits and live on the surface int he open air indefinitely, without dying of poisoning, asphyxiation or gravity-induced stress. Earth itself would not have qualified as "Earth-like" for 95% of its history, under this definition.

In the real world, when exoplanetologists say "Earth-like world", they usually simply mean "solid planet". So Venus and Mars, or any metal-rich or HMC planet in ED, are "Earth-like worlds" in that sense. Sometimes, as is the case in that article, they mean "solid planet with water-based life". So the "water world" statistic is more what they're after. And in ED, waterworlds are about 10 times momre common than Earth-likes.
 

VR SenseiMatty

VR SenseiMatty
Sapyx said:
Also bear in mind that "Earth-like world" has a much narrower definition out there in real-world science than it does in ED. In ED, it's a planet where Humans could take off their spacesuits and live on the surface int he open air indefinitely, without dying of poisoning, asphyxiation or gravity-induced stress. Earth itself would not have qualified as "Earth-like" for 95% of its history, under this definition.

In the real world, when exoplanetologists say "Earth-like world", they usually simply mean "solid planet". So Venus and Mars, or any metal-rich or HMC planet in ED, are "Earth-like worlds" in that sense. Sometimes, as is the case in that article, they mean "solid planet with water-based life". So the "water world" statistic is more what they're after. And in ED, waterworlds are about 10 times momre common than Earth-likes.
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In the articles I've read they define Exoplanet what in ED is a Terraformable planet, so in the habitable zone. And ELW have the same definition of ELW in ED.
We should make a further very pessimistic consideration anyway:
In real life I'm quite sure that if we ever land on a ELW like Earth we won't be able to remove our suite anyway. On Earth we are part of a biological ecosystem and we live on a very delicate balance with mico-life (bacteria and so on). On another ELW the air could be populated by new bacteria and virus that our body does not know and we would die because our immune system would not be able to protect us. The opposite could also happens, that the bacteria present in our body could be stronger than the local bacteria and by breathing we could poison the life of the new planet.
 

Icybow73

Icybow73
SenseiMatty said:
In the articles I've read they define Exoplanet what in ED is a Terraformable planet, so in the habitable zone. And ELW have the same definition of ELW in ED.
We should make a further very pessimistic consideration anyway:
In real life I'm quite sure that if we ever land on a ELW like Earth we won't be able to remove our suite anyway. On Earth we are part of a biological ecosystem and we live on a very delicate balance with mico-life (bacteria and so on). On another ELW the air could be populated by new bacteria and virus that our body does not know and we would die because our immune system would not be able to protect us. The opposite could also happens, that the bacteria present in our body could be stronger than the local bacteria and by breathing we could poison the life of the new planet.
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Hmm... i see your logic here. If the air isn't populated with strong bacteria, we should be fine. Now these two specific worlds show 1.1x earth's mass, so the ecosystem surrounding us should be fine depending on how many people vacate to the new world(s). Now if the air is populated with strong bacteria, we wouldn't know. Something we could do is take samples of the air and go test it in a lab. And for the weaker bacteria theory, again. We could test, because we wouldn't know about the bacteria in the atmosphere.

Another thing to keep in mind, is the environment around us. Would we have enough resources to keep our health good enough while not damaging the ecosystem? The organisms around us could be dangerous, safe, or neutral. We would need to bring supplies from earthand some specialists to make sure that we wouldn't die in this exoplanet
 
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