Is honking worth anything?

GrillMonkey · Jun 30, 2015

Is honking a system and then moving on without scanning worth anything?

I've been out in the black since long before 1.3 dropped and now I'm only 9K ly from SOL. I'm now wanting to get back quickly so I'm dropping into a system, honking and moving on.

Is this worth any credits? If so what kind of percentage vs DSS?

Thanks in advance.

Pilot Mark · Jun 30, 2015

In short, yes. You will receive something for more or less every astronomical body in the system you 'honk'. A surface scan would of course give you more if you are so inclined.

Iskariot · Jun 30, 2015

GrillMonkey said:
Is honking a system and then moving on without scanning worth anything?

I've been out in the black since long before 1.3 dropped and now I'm only 9K ly from SOL. I'm now wanting to get back quickly so I'm dropping into a system, honking and moving on.

Is this worth any credits? If so what kind of percentage vs DSS?

Thanks in advance.

Yes scanning is worth something. You can get an idea of what it is worth if you go to a station and have a look at the appropriate page with exploration data you have to sell.
What is more in some systems it is a necessary thing to do because it will reveal the lay of the land to you. You might think a system has only one sun, but after honking three more suns, 10 planets and 20 moons get revealed to you.

It will also add to your explorer rank. So if that means anything to you just keep on honking

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I do.

CMDR DoubleSkulls · Jun 30, 2015

About 500 CR per astronomical body.

Allitnil · Jun 30, 2015

You get a 6th of what you would get for a detailed surface scan (a 9th if you would have gotten the first discovered bonus). For non-stellar bodies there is a minimum reward of 500 credits.

tiger61378 · Jun 30, 2015

Since I'm travelling through more or less explored space, I've taken to honking, looking at the map, and only visiting stuff that's clearly valuable (high metal content/waterworld/ELW/larger ringed Jovians), or ANYTHING that isn't tagged (since people don't like scanning snowballs, and I don't mind grabbing my book and relaxing on a 300+ls run out to scan a bunch of them). I'm going to do the same thing when I head into the black...anything valuable or interesting will get scanned if its a discovered system, and if its not...I'm tagging EVERYTHING LOL.

Krunchie · Jun 30, 2015

Allitnil said:
You get a 6th of what you would get for a detailed surface scan (a 9th if you would have gotten the first discovered bonus). For non-stellar bodies there is a minimum reward of 500 credits.

6th? But some unscanned planets are worth much more then that, what's the deal? I had dozens of unscanned planets worth from 18k to 25k cr, and the record holder is one planet at 32662 cr! The most profitable scanned one was 65k cr, a ww cft with high mass.

How is it possible to have an unscanned planet be worth 32662 cr?

Allitnil · Jun 30, 2015

Don't suppose you took a screenshot of such examples? I did quite a bit of testing on this a while back and the data was consistent with DSS = 6 * discovery scan, but inevitably the testing was limited to systems close to home as I needed to do a discovery scan, sell the data then go back and surface scan & sell the data again.

Zeeman · Jun 30, 2015

Krunchie said:
6th? But some unscanned planets are worth much more then that, what's the deal? I had dozens of unscanned planets worth from 18k to 25k cr, and the record holder is one planet at 32662 cr! The most profitable scanned one was 65k cr, a ww cft with high mass.

How is it possible to have an unscanned planet be worth 32662 cr?

There may be some oddities. Sag A*, for example, is worth about 600k, from memory - bit a regular black hole is worth about 40k or 50k? Rough numbers, but you get the point... It may be that said unscanned planet would be worth 180k if scanned properly...

Or bugs.

Z...

CMDR DoubleSkulls · Jun 30, 2015

Zeeman said:
There may be some oddities. Sag A*, for example, is worth about 600k, from memory - bit a regular black hole is worth about 40k or 50k? Rough numbers, but you get the point... It may be that said unscanned planet would be worth 180k if scanned properly...

Or bugs.

Z...

Sag A* is worth about 300k now. I think the best ELW is only worth 60k, which should mean a "honk" value is only 10k.

This does sort of show why ice/rock planets aren't worth scanning. You get ~50% of their value from the honk alone, so jumping to another system and honking again is almost certainly going to get you more income than the time it takes to travel and scan.

Krunchie · Jun 30, 2015

Allitnil said:
Don't suppose you took a screenshot of such examples? I did quite a bit of testing on this a while back and the data was consistent with DSS = 6 * discovery scan, but inevitably the testing was limited to systems close to home as I needed to do a discovery scan, sell the data then go back and surface scan & sell the data again.

Sorry, no screenshots of that, but when I was selling my data, I examined every system (out of 6604) that was worth more then 40k cr, that's how I noticed many, many planets worth around 20k cr unscanned, and that one at 32662 cr, and because it was worth that much I wrote down the system name.

Allitnil · Jun 30, 2015

Thanks, I'll take a good look through my current data when I come to sell it. Are you willing to share the name of that system? I can understand if you want to keep it in hand if you ever go back that way just in case it turns out to be something special.

nb: just to be certain, did you check the system map to see if you had actually scanned the planet and it was just the sale screen that was wrong in not saying so?

Krunchie · Jun 30, 2015

Allitnil said:
Thanks, I'll take a good look through my current data when I come to sell it. Are you willing to share the name of that system? I can understand if you want to keep it in hand if you ever go back that way just in case it turns out to be something special.

nb: just to be certain, did you check the system map to see if you had actually scanned the planet and it was just the sale screen that was wrong in not saying so?

I checked, I didn't scan that planet because it was around the secondary star many ls away, and it didn't look like much, but recently after consulting the chart at http://i.imgur.com/Lw01Dg5.jpg I think it's the ELW, the farthest type on the right just next to the ammonia worlds. I'll post the system name and the screenshot of the planet when I get home from work.

Krunchie · Jun 30, 2015

That planet is worth 32662 cr unscanned, GRANAU VZ-O E6-2067 B5. (B5 is the "name" of the planet, the rest is the name of the system)

Allitnil · Jun 30, 2015

It looks like a WW to me, probably with an argon rich atmosphere. Can't imagine why it would pay so much just for a discovery scan and it sounds more like the value you would get for a DSS. So possibly a bug.

Anyway, it's a bit too far away for me to visit right now but I'll add it to my list of "systems to go to if I'm in the neighbourhood".

TruffleSnout · Jun 30, 2015

Allitnil said:
It looks like a WW to me, probably with an argon rich atmosphere. Can't imagine why it would pay so much just for a discovery scan and it sounds more like the value you would get for a DSS. So possibly a bug.

Might also be a Terraforming Candidate. That would push the unscanned value up as well. Though not as high as 32k I would think.

Allitnil · Jun 30, 2015

Good point. Terraformable water worlds near the upper mass limit can actually pay more than for an earth-like! But it's only by a few thousand.

certhas · Jun 30, 2015

Krunchie said:
I checked, I didn't scan that planet because it was around the secondary star many ls away, and it didn't look like much, but recently after consulting the chart at http://i.imgur.com/Lw01Dg5.jpg I think it's the ELW, the farthest type on the right just next to the ammonia worlds. I'll post the system name and the screenshot of the planet when I get home from work.

Hmm i dont think that pic is very accurate tbh. Some of those who are listend below WW seem more like ELW, and some of the ELW's are something different too - especially the one you mentioned (3rd from the right). i did scan some of those and they where HMC's and the one most left of the ElW's - thats imo clearly a WW (never seen an ELW without visible Landmass - and never saw a WW with Landmass).

maybe its because the pic is pretty old already and FD did change the look of the Planets somewhere around February right? (was it only the Gasgiants? im not sure)

iain666 · Jun 30, 2015

certhas said:
(never seen an ELW without visible Landmass - and never saw a WW with Landmass).

I've not seen an ELW without landmass, but WW with landmass I've seen lots of. The first time I thought I'd found an ELW it was a WW and it had way more land by surface area then Earth does.

certhas · Jul 1, 2015

iain666 said:
I've not seen an ELW without landmass, but WW with landmass I've seen lots of. The first time I thought I'd found an ELW it was a WW and it had way more land by surface area then Earth does.

Ok, dont think i've ever seen a WW-Pictogram with landmass in the Systemmap, well you live and learn