Is it just me or have other people realised that this isn't the 16th of December yet?

Lucky Shaw

Lucky Shaw
I am sure it has been said and I am sure it will be said again but why all the animosity and upset about what this game (currently gamma of course) hasn't offered? Why?

Don't people get it that we are in at the ground floor of a game yet to be released? Yes, there are going to be problems, yes its a huge place and rather unpopulated but come on! It's 400 billion galaxies (you know, a bit like space) and 100000 players who won't always be online together (i.e. never).

The feedback to the devs is absolutely essential I am sure so they can polish and fix as much as they can before launch but why are we not keeping it in mind that we are the first, we are the frontiersmen and women. Its a big empty place at the moment, of course it is but that WILL change. There will develop routes and hubs as people gravitate and relocate to areas that offer them more in the way of trade and commerce. There will be a great many who won't want to live in the countryside, there will be a few who will steal your stuff. There will be some who are just downright mean and belligerent. Just like meatspace.

We are helping build it and they will come.

And as the game fills and develops more players mean better opportunities for feedback to the devs. More bug reporting means better fixes and experiences. No doubt the release is just the start. The game as I see it will, like many other online games, go through updates and upgrades. I play World Of Tanks and that game is always having upgrades and updates. Sometimes they improve the game and now and again they don't. But the devs keep working. I see no reason why this game won't do the same for many years to come. Eve Online is another that has progressed so far from it's original starting point.

This game will not sit still and there will be opportunity for the devs to fulfil almost all online players wishes once feedback starts rolling in from the launch. Just be patient!

I am absolutely thrilled with this game even though I haven't even scratched the surface of it. I am glad it is difficult, frustrating and downright troublesome to me because I know I will work to overcome the issues ahead for my game play experience and if I do that I know I am here for the long haul.

The game will be pulled and fitted to shape by devs and players together. It will grow accordingly and word will spread.

Think of it as a plant. We planted the seed and watered the earth. We can hardly expect it to bear fruit immediately! We must tend to it and help it to grow. Feedback and constructive criticism will help. Negativity and lack of forsight won't. Who gives a monkey's butt whether it is MMO or sandbox? Why does it matter? Get in there, play, assist development and then kick ass when it goes live to the public because they'll be bouncing off Corolis station walls while you are ripping open trade routes in Haulers, holding down the law as a paid bounty hunter in a Fer De Lance and Murdering In Cold Blood and robbing the wreckage!

More trade, more exploration, more space death, more faction war when Imperial crosses Federation etc.

In a years time all of this will be far from our minds as we roam and play with our ship's names emblazoned on our hulls and our status Dangerous, deadly and Elite in the vocation of our choice... :D:cool:
 

tagos

tagos
Because Frontier have made it very clear that what we are seeing now is the Release Candidate. It is what it is going to get reviewed on. It is what the reputation of the game will be based on. It's the all-important First Impression you don't get a second chance to make. Games don't get reviewed on promises or fan expectations. Frontier have our money and now they need a constant flow of new customers and a lot of us don't think what will come out on the 16th is up to the task, no matter how more committed fans like ourselves feel about things.
 

LukeP

LukeP
+1 to what Tagos said.

For all data we have, we are in Feature Freeze. What's in, is in. Maybe minor changes could be expected, but gamma (beta in olden days) is bughunt and optimization pass.

Even in most optimistic scenario, one could not envision next expansion sooner than 2 or 3 months after release.
 
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Lucky Shaw

Lucky Shaw
Indeed but are fans so naive that they think that this will be how it stays? I think many people now understand that when new MMo stuff hits the stage it will still be developing for some years to come. It's hardly 'bubble witch saga' afterall. I believe that this game will be successful and people will flock to it as it develops rather than at immediate launch. A slow burner, yes but increasing in quality all the time. Compares to the money and dev power that goes into developing something like GTA V or another huge game the money given to develop this is almost miniscule in comparison. I still think we are getting one hell of a good game and a one that has ample opportunity to develop. I don't know of any MMO that started out any different to how ED is starting out. We could be in Gamma forever if every single thing we wanted was worked on and put in before release. It has to go live sometime and it makes sense to go live in mid Dec for sales reasons as much as anything...
 

Jigsaw

Jigsaw
tagos said:
Because Frontier have made it very clear that what we are seeing now is the Release Candidate. It is what it is going to get reviewed on. It is what the reputation of the game will be based on. It's the all-important First Impression you don't get a second chance to make. Games don't get reviewed on promises or fan expectations. Frontier have our money and now they need a constant flow of new customers and a lot of us don't think what will come out on the 16th is up to the task, no matter how more committed fans like ourselves feel about things.
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That's the problem in a nutshell right there.
 

Giskard

Giskard
Well said Lucky Shaw! I heartily agree with you. We are on the very first step of a long and glorious journey!
 

Tyr07

Tyr07
Lucky Shaw said:
Indeed but are fans so naive that they think that this will be how it stays? I think many people now understand that when new MMo stuff hits the stage it will still be developing for some years to come. It's hardly 'bubble witch saga' afterall. I believe that this game will be successful and people will flock to it as it develops rather than at immediate launch. A slow burner, yes but increasing in quality all the time. Compares to the money and dev power that goes into developing something like GTA V or another huge game the money given to develop this is almost miniscule in comparison. I still think we are getting one hell of a good game and a one that has ample opportunity to develop. I don't know of any MMO that started out any different to how ED is starting out. We could be in Gamma forever if every single thing we wanted was worked on and put in before release. It has to go live sometime and it makes sense to go live in mid Dec for sales reasons as much as anything...
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We're not asking for every little thing. If I listed my every little thing list, it would take forever.

We want CORE features, one core feature has already been discontinued.

1. Ability to reasonably play with our friends. Fly together, fight together, get rewards together.
2. Is it dynamic? Is it just not turned on? Please explain what we should expect for a living galaxy. What does dynamic mean? Faction wars? System control changing? Market changing based on player interaction? Or that you will update it sometime?

Core ISSUES -> They have our money. Hopefully this isn't a big deal and we're just concerned over nothing.
- Yes it will improve down the road, however saying, 'This game will have insert feature here! ! Buy it!" and then we buy it, then going "These features I mean eventually, not like, when it's released, maybe as an expansion where you give us more money" is misleading!

We gave money with certain expectations, stuff happens sometimes but it doesn't mean it's all okay and goes quietly. It's not fair to entice us to purchase something, then tell us we're not getting what we purchased, maybe sometime down the road we'll do something.

Now in all fairness, they never said that. All I do know is single player was scrapped, and I understand their reasoning, but that's only if I see their reasoning. If it turns out their reason is false too (Dynamic nature of a living galaxy) I'm going to be upset.
People aren't so (Word lacking intelligence, I couldn't use a normal one as the system feared I was insulting someone) that they wont' figure out that there is a completely random pattern to everything, and that when devs code changes are the only time something 'changes'. We'd like to know what we have purchased, especially since we know some features are not yet here and time is running out for the predicted release date.
 

Kaspur

K
Let's hope I'm right, but I think we are far from playing the complete (16/12/14) ED right now. The core is ready and everything is functioning as it will be released, but it is not much more than just the framework. I would expect more (dynamic) storylines playing out through missions or events. Or for instance a new storyline that will be started as soon as someone makes a certain discovery. Also, I would expect the user interface to be improved a lot, lots of things are not exactly right, right now, but I think that certain features should be quite simple to code and implement. And as someone working in IT, my experience is that the user interface is something that mostly comes last (or even not at all).
 

kenny_brocklestein

K
tagos said:
Because Frontier have made it very clear that what we are seeing now is the Release Candidate. It is what it is going to get reviewed on. It is what the reputation of the game will be based on. It's the all-important First Impression you don't get a second chance to make. Games don't get reviewed on promises or fan expectations. Frontier have our money and now they need a constant flow of new customers and a lot of us don't think what will come out on the 16th is up to the task, no matter how more committed fans like ourselves feel about things.
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This. The extent to which the game improves post-launch is worth ......-all. Reviews will set the tone, and if this is truly the RC (as all signs seem to point to) and the only additions between now and release are going to be minor... yeck.
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
crushdepth said:
What is available right now is basically a remake if the original. With choice of ship. That's it.
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That would almost be enough for me, except you'd be closer to correct to say its a remake of Frontier minus the planetary landings but prettier graphics.

And that for me is just fine and dandy, because i know there is still a lot more to come over the coming years.
 

Philip Coutts

Volunteer Moderator
Philip Coutts
Lets be clear what we were supposed to get was an "Extended" Gamma period, to smooth out any issues. The key thing being that Gamma was to be exactly the same as the full release in December. So what we have now is what we are getting in December. Now maybe Frontier have a few surprises such as additional ships and maybe just maybe they will get some of the group mechanics working. But what we have is pretty much what we will get in December. There is a whole pile of the DDF stuff missing at present and that's unfortunate but Frontier want to release to catch the Christmas market. Updates will come regularly but to expect anything major to be added in for the December release is probably wishful thinking.

That said I really hope Frontier prove me wrong and release a version full of the DDF stuff.

My own opinion is I'm happy to wait for features, I've waited a long time for this already. The issue will not be with old Elite hands like me, it will be with new players who are expecting a lot more than is going to be delivered by the looks of it.
 
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OVMorat

OVMorat
At the risk of being crucified for making an EVE reference... EVE was worse on release and it hasn't done badly.
 

Tyr07

Tyr07
OVMorat said:
At the risk of being crucified for making an EVE reference... EVE was worse on release and it hasn't done badly.
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Did EVE run a kickstarter campaign listing a bunch of features that would be possible upon release with people paying extra for beta access and then not deliver when the game was released?
I'm not trying to say we won't have whatever by release or anything, this is an honest question, I wasn't part of the EVE beta or anything.

I believe the problem we have here is that we feel (Which might be wrong) that we are being misled. It feels as if it won't be a dynamic living galaxy, that it's not an mmo as advertised in the general expectations, that you cannot effectively play with your friends like other mmos, and already a core feature such as offline play has been scrapped and acknowledged.

We want to know if they are going to keep up with the rest of the things they have spoken about. They put some doubt out there, after we've paid them, so we have a right to be concerned. Buying a game isn't free money to developers where we're not allowed to be upset or want what we thought we were getting.
 
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