Is it possible to switch a Federation System to Empire, Alliance or Independant and vice versa?

30K · Aug 25, 2015

As the title says, me and a few friends absolutley hate the Kremainn system, I don't know why, we just do. Probably because of bounties we had there.

Question is, is there anyway to undermine a system and force it into a political switch to Empire, Alliance or Independant? Not necessarily Kremainn, just in general.

If so, what is the best way to go about this buisness?

If this question has been answered before, I do apologise.

Apos · Aug 25, 2015

You mean remove it from Hudson's control?

That would require the system to be selected for turmoil by Hudson having a deficit, then have a deficit the following week as well in order to be removed from his power.

If it's about minor factions, the system has 2 federal and 3 independent minor factions. So you can't make it turn Imperial or Alliance for quite a while, but you can make it independent by creating a war with the leading faction and winning it.

Monk · Aug 25, 2015

Yes, you have to get the faction you want to have an influence rating challenging that of the current faction leading the system. A war will break out and you will need to win those conflicts in order to switch the ownership of the stations. Eventually, the system will turn but from what I understand it is a huge effort (and maybe doesn't work correctly...idk, haven't really followed it)

Here are a couple threads that cover it better than I could...

[h=2]Mercs of Mikunn results after 3 weeks of effort - Also a request for documentation, in game and out[/h]
and

[h=1]What we think we know about the Background Simulation in regards to Factions[/h]

FoAmY99 · Aug 25, 2015

I think what he means is, is it possible for a system that is generally Federation because its in the Fed's overall sphere of influence, to be controlled by an Empire leaning faction and vice-versa. As in to say, have a system that's loyal to the Empire within spitting distance of Sol or something. My gut wants to say no because it wouldn't work with the lore, plus in order to get an Empire leaning faction to expand itself that far out would mean you'd have to make it so that it controls hundreds of systems between Empire space and the target Fed system (or again vice-versa)

CYB34 · Aug 25, 2015

I wouldnt post the system name if I was you. Now all you do will be in vain.

Minoo Minou · Aug 25, 2015

CYB34 said:
I wouldnt post the system name if I was you. Now all you do will be in vain.

That's so nice of you, it made me smile

Monk · Aug 25, 2015

Minoo Minou said:
That's so nice of you, it made me smile

I wouldn't be so sure that is nice. Probably a Federation spy.

WATCH OUT!

JessieColt · Aug 25, 2015

I am not sure if you can. I am sure though that someone will come along and confirm, but I haven't personally seen a system that has both Federation and Empire, or Federation and Alliance, or Empire and Alliance, minor factions.

All of the systems I have seen so far have been Fed/Independent, Empire/Independent, Alliance/Independent factions.

This may be different at cross over systems between two major factions. Those systems that are on the edge of 2 controlled spaces that border 2 major factions, but I am not normally flying around those areas.

Cheers~

Monk · Aug 25, 2015

JessieColt said:
I am not sure if you can. I am sure though that someone will come along and confirm, but I haven't personally seen a system that has both Federation and Empire, or Federation and Alliance, or Empire and Alliance, minor factions.

All of the systems I have seen so far have been Fed/Independent, Empire/Independent, Alliance/Independent factions.

This may be different at cross over systems between two major factions. Those systems that are on the edge of 2 controlled spaces that border 2 major factions, but I am not normally flying around those areas.

Cheers~

They are definitely out there. Check around border systems. Especially at Independent systems sandwiched between fed and emp each with factions in expansion.

Now, getting them to flip allegiance...I haven't personally seen

30K · Aug 25, 2015

Thanks for the reply commanders. Kremainn was just used as an example. I am hostile there so I wont be revisiting that place. Yeah the ones on the borders I have seen before too. Independant stations do have some Empire/Fed minor factions in. I was curious to see if you gained rep and influence with a minor faction that does not currently have overall influence over that system, in line with or above the faction holding the system. Then force it into a civil war, win the war then that faction would turn.

Apos · Aug 25, 2015

JessieColt said:
I am not sure if you can. I am sure though that someone will come along and confirm, but I haven't personally seen a system that has both Federation and Empire, or Federation and Alliance, or Empire and Alliance, minor factions.

All of the systems I have seen so far have been Fed/Independent, Empire/Independent, Alliance/Independent factions.

This may be different at cross over systems between two major factions. Those systems that are on the edge of 2 controlled spaces that border 2 major factions, but I am not normally flying around those areas.

Cheers~

There are plenty of systems with minor factions affiliated with 2 major ones. Like mentioned, look at the borders where things get mixed.

Now, finding a system with a faction from each major faction, that's really rare. Especially by default and not through expansion from a nearby system.

Walt Kerman · Aug 26, 2015

Monk said:
Yes, you have to get the faction you want to have an influence rating challenging that of the current faction leading the system. A war will break out and you will need to win those conflicts in order to switch the ownership of the stations. Eventually, the system will turn but from what I understand it is a huge effort (and maybe doesn't work correctly...idk, haven't really followed it)

Here are a couple threads that cover it better than I could...

Mercs of Mikunn results after 3 weeks of effort - Also a request for documentation, in game and out

and

What we think we know about the Background Simulation in regards to Factions

Note: some of the things you have linked have changed significantly since 1.3, especially the bugs (thank god). But it's still a good resource.

Monk · Aug 26, 2015

Walt Kerman said:
Note: some of the things you have linked have changed significantly since 1.3, especially the bugs (thank god). But it's still a good resource.

Yeah, I couldn't find anything that serves as a manual for how minor factions interact nor am I well versed enough to write my own. If there is a better thread out there or other compendium of information, that would be really helpful.

Sapyx · Aug 26, 2015

As far as i am aware: yes, you can make an entire star system change allegiance.

However, this change is not automatically entered onto the galaxy map, because the galaxy map data and system map data are separate.

Roybe · Aug 26, 2015

You can change the government of a system....BUT....the system must already contain the type of government you would like (or you have to expand a particular power into the system)

You do this through playing the Background Simulation...which is controlled through missions and actions taken within the system that support or work against the power base you have!

- - - Updated - - -

Monk said:
I wouldn't be so sure that is nice. Probably a Federation spy.

WATCH OUT!

Why?

LOL!

30K · Aug 26, 2015

Roybe said:
You can change the government of a system....BUT....the system must already contain the type of government you would like (or you have to expand a particular power into the system)

You do this through playing the Background Simulation...which is controlled through missions and actions taken within the system that support or work against the power base you have!

Ah ookay thank you mate.

Monk said:
I wouldn't be so sure that is nice. Probably a Federation spy.

WATCH OUT!

Haha I am not no Fed Scum Bag

Conch · Aug 26, 2015

Wolf 906 is in hudson space but herbert dock is under empire control. So it is possible

davecrowley · Aug 26, 2015

IIRC Liaedin and Volungu are 2 systems close to each other. Volungu is Fed with an Imperial minor faction. Liaedin is Imperial with a minor Fed faction. Could be fun trying to flip one or both of those.

Walt Kerman · Aug 28, 2015

Monk said:
Yes, you have to get the faction you want to have an influence rating challenging that of the current faction leading the system. A war will break out and you will need to win those conflicts in order to switch the ownership of the stations. Eventually, the system will turn but from what I understand it is a huge effort (and maybe doesn't work correctly...idk, haven't really followed it)

Here are a couple threads that cover it better than I could...

Mercs of Mikunn results after 3 weeks of effort - Also a request for documentation, in game and out

and

What we think we know about the Background Simulation in regards to Factions

Hey. I made this for you guys.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=178272&p=2747674#post2747674

Do you have questions about the background sim? Come to us and we can answer any questions you have directly. Our older threads are getting a tad dated. And some of them I can't edit because they aren't mine. Playing with the background sim can be fun. We've done it all, and are happy to answer any questions to help.

tanthil · Aug 28, 2015

I saw one system with Fed/Ind minors and only one station, that system in Federation,station was owned by minor Fed. After a while station was takeover by Ind minor but whole system stay with Federation and didnt flip to Independent