First of all i don't want to hear about those mythical FA off pilots that are great in combat using a hotas and can beat a relative mouse using jokey. Elite Pvp turned into Call of Duty. Relative option has given mouse using people an edge over the hotas and there is no evasive flying against that. All they do is go FA off circle and fill you up with rails while taking advantage of the FPS mechanic. Small ships are useless as hitting with rails is a piece of cake. I fly a 595+ cobra mk3 with remote flechette . I pull and push and do all sorts of tricks. Nothing helps...not the speed, not the slim silhouette of the cobra, not my evasive manoeuvres. I even run drag munitions just to slow them down. Nothing helps. They just spin around and have 95 percent accuracy. I had a lot of fights with God meta FDLS and my cobra could take them one provided they flew using a hotas. It was not overpowered but felt more like fair fights. But there is no escape against relative mouse. I know i am going to get trashed by people using mouse or people claiming they win in pvp using a hotas vs a mouse, but am i the only one seeing this? I dont wanna give up my hotas to win. This is not a FPS. And people are pushing for a relative toggle....no words.
Is this Call of Duty?( relative mouse thingy)
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AFAIK most FA off PVP pilots indeed use a mouse. Which is another reason to me why I cant be bothered with it. Its far more about min/max, cheesing and such than, well, fun flying. 
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AFAIK most FA off PVP pilots indeed use a mouse. Which is another reason to me why I cant be bothered with it. Its far more about min/max, cheesing and such than, well, fun flying.
I know this might shock you, Sleutelbos, but I agree with you.
There's a whole lot of misconception in this thread.
Like being able to take on a FDL with a Cobra. Run the numbers on coriolis.io or edshipyard some time, there's a large gap - and everything you can do with Engineers just exponentially grows that gap.
Wanna throw off railguns? Use lateral thrust and rolling more. Relative mouse isn't magic.
Also, remote flechette launchers are bad weapons with 1 unique niche to deal with Thargoid Interceptor Thargon Swarms. Try different loadouts in a bigger ship.
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All that said, PvP in Elite is just a bad idea in my view anyway. There's no semblance of balance, much of the fight is predetermined by what silly gimmick special effects you brought to it, and just...it's a really bad place to look for a fair fight, ever, in the current state of the game.
Like being able to take on a FDL with a Cobra. Run the numbers on coriolis.io or edshipyard some time, there's a large gap - and everything you can do with Engineers just exponentially grows that gap.
Wanna throw off railguns? Use lateral thrust and rolling more. Relative mouse isn't magic.
Also, remote flechette launchers are bad weapons with 1 unique niche to deal with Thargoid Interceptor Thargon Swarms. Try different loadouts in a bigger ship.
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All that said, PvP in Elite is just a bad idea in my view anyway. There's no semblance of balance, much of the fight is predetermined by what silly gimmick special effects you brought to it, and just...it's a really bad place to look for a fair fight, ever, in the current state of the game.
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My gaming mouse doesn't support relative mouse movement. (G502) And I hadn't bothered with a joystick for years. So does this relative mouse thing allow aiming the ship like a windows desktop mouse's movement, superseding the ship's yaw and pitch limitations? If so, it sounds like an "exploit" and should be nerfed somehow.
I think you are wrong. Today i explored the flechette build and it works when there is a level play field. That mean when both people use hotas. Of course FDL is superior to a cobra but the thin profile combined with the speed makes it hard to hit when using a hotas. But then again if you get hit then its over and that seems fair. That is not an option fighting against mouse. 95 percent accuracy. There is no place you can hide, and no trick you can pull to beat the point and click. This has become one of those weird point and click games i never understood. All high level players use mouse and kb because of the relative option. I tried myself and i was blown away of how easy it is but i refuse to use it.
No, that isn't it. And any mouse supports relative mouse movement, its in the game settings.