Jacques Station: ED's Babylon 5 or Deep Space Nine?

TheSisko

TheSisko
Is Jacques Station ED's version of Babylon 5? Our last best hope for peace with the aliens which we know are out there? Watching. Waiting. Plotting. With their Shadowy human associates?

Or will be a Deep Space Nine? A potential choke-point (if there is such a thing in the Elite-verse) and military staging platform in the war against the Domin- I mean, the aliens and their allies?

Either way, if I was an alien*, and some human station just happened to land near my doorstep, I wouldn't believe the human lies:

"Yeah, there was a malfunction you see. So we had to drop out in this sector. Just down the road from you."
"Sure. Yeah. Whatever you say."

*Some of you may have this impression. Consider this my official denial.
 

ForeverN00b

ForeverN00b
I haven't watched B5, but I don't see Jaques as a DS9 simply because it doesn't defend anything of strategic importance.

P.S. DS9 is the best Star Trek series IMO. Rich storyline and it's not this black and white "humans are good, aliens are bad" the way the first 2 series were.
 

CMDR Loki Di-Pietro

CMDR Loki Di-Pietro
TheSisko said:
Is Jacques Station ED's version of Babylon 5? Our last best hope for peace with the aliens which we know are out there? Watching. Waiting. Plotting. With their Shadowy human associates?

Or will be a Deep Space Nine? A potential choke-point (if there is such a thing in the Elite-verse) and military staging platform in the war against the Domin- I mean, the aliens and their allies?

Either way, if I was an alien*, and some human station just happened to land near my doorstep, I wouldn't believe the human lies:

"Yeah, there was a malfunction you see. So we had to drop out in this sector. Just down the road from you."
"Sure. Yeah. Whatever you say."

*Some of you may have this impression. Consider this my official denial.
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Now there is an idea. What if we had a wormhole that lead to there and back?
 

Captain Stable

Captain Stable
ForeverN00b said:
I haven't watched B5, but I don't see Jaques as a DS9 simply because it doesn't defend anything of strategic importance.

P.S. DS9 is the best Star Trek series IMO. Rich storyline and it's not this black and white "humans are good, aliens are bad" the way the first 2 series were.
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You need to watch B5! The first season is bad, seriously bad, but you need to see it to understand later plots. If you thought DS9 did away with the usual Trek-style stereotypes, B5 will blow you away!

(at the very least, with S1, watch:
1: Midnight on the Firing Line - the first proper episode and gives us the main modern back story.
2: Soul Hunter - If only for learning how precious souls are to the Minbari, and how far they will go to protect them
13: Signs and Portents - Introduces a recurring character.
18 & 19: A Voice in the Wilderness - Not vital, but introduces the planet B5 is orbiting.
20: Babylon Squared - The single greatest episode of Season 1, but NOT on first viewing (hint hint)
22: Crysalis - The season finale, which throws all kinds of balls in the air.

There are other episodes that should be watched too - any that feature Delen making her... thing... (for example), but as a rough guide starter kit, 22 episodes condensed down to 7 to make it slightly more enjoyable for first time viewers.)
 

Darth Ender

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It's neither. It's ED's sad mistake. We'll never get to experience what it was supposed to be since it was found before any of that content could be created.
 

ForeverN00b

ForeverN00b
Darth Ender said:
It's neither. It's ED's sad mistake. We'll never get to experience what it was supposed to be since it was found before any of that content could be created.
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To be fair, if there was a wormhole at that distant system, FD would probably be sued for copyright infringement. I'm sure they have an idea of what to do with Jaques.
 

Darth Ender

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ForeverN00b said:
To be fair, if there was a wormhole at that distant system, FD would probably be sued for copyright infringement. I'm sure they have an idea of what to do with Jaques.
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Well, they _had_ an idea. Now all of that gets thrown out and they have to create a new idea. As evidenced by all the existing content surrounding his disappearance and mis-jump getting quietly ignored and forgotten about.

Depending on which definition of hyperspace travel FD is going by currently, everytime you jump you're basically creating a wormhole. Other than that, they dont exist naturally in the Elite Universe. Or at least haven't yet.

I think Jaques, himself, intended the station to be like the restaurant at the end of the universe in hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy. Only instead it would be a bar.
 
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dunnst

dunnst
From galaxy point of view, it's on the other side of DS9's wormhole, in gamma quadrant. DS9 was on the edge of "Federation bubble" was it not?
 

kofeyh

kofeyh
metatheurgist said:
It's Babylon 4. It disappeared in mysteriously circumstances and turned up a long way away. Soon it will be used as a based against the Shadows Thargoids.
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The sad realisation is that this is, pretty much, exactly what I expect. Because it's not even close to the longest running trope of movies, tv and games for the history of ever.
 

Kaybe

Kaybe
Both of these shows are *excellent*. And both of these shows are really slow to start, but patience gets rewarded, especially in the case of Babylon 5. Season 1 is flat out painful. Seasons 2 through 4 are nothing short of genius.

As for Jaques ... I think much like these two stations, I think it'll have a slow start ... and two years from now, it'll be at the very forefront of galaxy spanning events ;)
 

SanguisDiabolus

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Never watched Babylon 5, but DS9 is my favorite of all the Trek shows. Has far superior character chemistry than any of the other Trek series. Edit: Also, Ezri Dax is my sweetheart, so keep your mitts off, lol

Just as DS9 was the key to holding the Alpha Quadrant in the Dominion war, I would love to see a whole new gameplay mechanic come from an alien invasion, with Jacques being the first and last line of defense that would be keeping the aliens from pushing into the bubble.
 
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TheSisko

TheSisko
dunnst said:
From galaxy point of view, it's on the other side of DS9's wormhole, in gamma quadrant. DS9 was on the edge of "Federation bubble" was it not?
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Yeah, DS9 was in the (mainly Fed controlled) Alpha Quadrant, while the Bajorian Wormhole led to the (mainly Dominion controlled) Gamma Quadrant, 70,000 light years away.

A wormhole to Jaques would have been interesting. Maybe (plot twist) there is a wormhole and its yet to be discovered. FD are all about instant ship transportation these days, right? :D

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Kaybe said:
Both of these shows are *excellent*. And both of these shows are really slow to start, but patience gets rewarded, especially in the case of Babylon 5. Season 1 is flat out painful. Seasons 2 through 4 are nothing short of genius.

As for Jaques ... I think much like these two stations, I think it'll have a slow start ... and two years from now, it'll be at the very forefront of galaxy spanning events ;)
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DS9 took some time to get going as well, but looking back they laid the foundations for the characters in the first 2 years for the greatness that followed. Both shows went places I'd never expected, especially DS9 which broke every Star Trek rule in the book and was (IMO) all the better for it. It made TNG look like vanilla Star Trek and I loved that show.

As for B5, I expected the Shadows to want the usual stuff - power, territory, fast broadband connections - so when we found out at the end of Season 3 what they really wanted (and to quote Mrs Sheridan, "what its really all about") well, my mind was blown.

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ForeverN00b said:
Bring on the Dominion! I didn't spend all these hours building the Defiant so I could wail on newbies in Starfleet Acad....I mean, Eravate.
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Hear Hear! [yesnod]
 
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