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JTI influence is down to 28%. What can we do to push it back up?

OK, so since I got back from 78 Ursae, been doin' missions for JTi and influence is up to 34% at the expense of the rest of the Houses Minor - ooops, I mean, minor factions! :)

I did rather stupidly sell some mapping data at Bluford Gateway instead of Hahn Orbital, which was not a help! It didn't seem to adversely affect things tho'. Since then, doing the missions that don't involve finding where to trade stuff. Gonna continue for a bit around Cerktondhs and Vesper-M4... wanna try kicking that GCA lot out of Hothfuss, too. Oh, and JTi influnce in Vesper / Slough is up too :D

Commander Qianas, out.
 
I did rather stupidly sell some mapping data at Bluford Gateway instead of Hahn Orbital.

Given that neither station is run by JTI, surely selling data / cashing fed bounties at these stations is just boosting the locals instead of furthering JTI influence?

I have been playing pew-pew in the RES at planet-7 and cashing fed vouchers back in Slough - to keep JTI influence up in Vesper-m4. I have cashed any JTI vouchers in Hann thinking that may up their influence in Cerktondhs.

I also did a couple of updates to the spreadsheet.

C
 
Given that neither station is run by JTI, surely selling data / cashing fed bounties at these stations is just boosting the locals instead of furthering JTI influence?

Exactly. I was tired and missed a step in my processing. I'd gone to Bluford on a JTi mission from Slough, then forgot it wasn't where I was wanting to sell the mapping data :eek:
 
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Thanks for updating the spreadsheet Cleonymus, I can certainly see your impact! :)

From what I've read there are two ways to take over the system. Either boost JTi to 70% or get JTi into a war with a faction that holds a station. If we win the war, we take the faction's best station. To start a war, my understanding is that all we need is our influence level to pass the other faction's, either up or down.

So... It might actually be a good experiment to work for (say) The Resistance for a while to boost them past JTi and see if we can git into a scrap. Once we have a station, trade starts to count and it'll be a lot easier to get to JTi up to 70%. What do you think?
 
Thanks for updating the spreadsheet Cleonymus, I can certainly see your impact! :)

From what I've read there are two ways to take over the system. Either boost JTi to 70% or get JTi into a war with a faction that holds a station. If we win the war, we take the faction's best station. To start a war, my understanding is that all we need is our influence level to pass the other faction's, either up or down.

So... It might actually be a good experiment to work for (say) The Resistance for a while to boost them past JTi and see if we can git into a scrap. Once we have a station, trade starts to count and it'll be a lot easier to get to JTi up to 70%. What do you think?

Yeah, let's try that :)
 
I read this post before posting and concluded I need pointers from someone in the know. Comments welcome.

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I did not play the beta, but taking my first look at the Powers maps, it looks like Vesper-M4 is entrenched in Federation territory.

The closest suitable alternate Power could be the Alliance (Subject to Kate's thoughts - she may go all empire on us). Not sure how far away their (the alliance) control center is as I am away from M4 collecting a lorry (Lakon-6) load of rares. If the goat crew all pledged to the alliance but traded and cashed vouchers in Vesper, could we establish it as an Alliance Control inside Federation space?

Was gonna sell my cargo to Slough, but referring to andrews comments - it may be better selling to Rothfuss Holdings to increase the possibility of a conflict.

But - looking at the system map, Rothfuss is now shown as controlled by "Independent Gamma Corona Austrane Revolutionary Party". Perhaps there has been some changes with the introduction of the powerplay update. I will need to re-evaluate when I can see the percentages when get back to Slough.

Perhaps Kates stream tomorrow with shed a little light in the darkness, I should be back in Slough around then.

In space no one can see how confused you are.

C
 
Perhaps Kates stream tomorrow with shed a little light in the darkness, I should be back in Slough around then.

Looks like I'm going to be able to make Kate's stream from the start today; hopefully we can clear some stuff up there as you say.

I posted some more thoughts about Powerplay and JTi back on the original thread:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=90720&page=46&p=2321563&viewfull=1#post2321563

The main thing to consider is that we need to chuck Hudson out of the three systems he controls near Vesper-M4 and Cerktondhs before we can turn either into a control system for another power.

In Cerktondhs it looks like you and others have been doing a fine job and we're nearly at 50% with JTi today -- we've never been so high! So, I'd recommend back to Plan A and let's see if we can push JTi over 70%. If the other factions fall into war along the way, so much the better! :)
 
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Getting close to the target!

I've been grinding hard on JTi missions in Cerktondhs this weekend and I think other have too... we're at 65%! I'm excited because the following thread from Michael Brookes suggests that if we hit 70% we may initiate a challenge for control of the system.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=133134

I've not had a chance to update the spreadsheet but we've been moving up fast in the last few days since the minor faction reset that put us back at 39%. I think another day or two may see us over the line unless we meet resistance from other players.
 
75%!

Nice work Kate and crew! :)

I'm unsure why we've not triggered a war or election at this point. It could be the pending state of Boom needs to happen or clear first. Or it could be that we need to be above 70% for a number of days. Or it could be the effect of being a Hudson-exploited system, as apparently this enhances federal minor faction "effects". Or it could be a bug in the background simulation; there seem to be plenty of people complaining (correctly or otherwise) about those in the bug reporting forum!

Anyway, I suggest we keep plugging away this week to keep JTi's influence above 70%, perhaps precipitating that pending Boom
 
63% in Cerktondhs :(

and 62% in Slough

No sign of a takeover.

There seems to be mainly illegal missions available - Could be JTI has joined the dark side.

I think Frontier need to consider pathalogically honest players too, rather than catering only for thieves and murderers.

And why no mining missions - lol.

I may get my trading vessel out again.

C
 
More thoughts on taking control in Cerktondhs

And why no mining missions

Just a guess but maybe mining missions are only for Refinery economies?

JTi are down to 36% with Netcoms surging to 40%. Sigh. It seems that minor faction influence levels are very volatile currently judging by the reports on the main Slough thread and elsewhere.

I've been doing a lot more reading on the forums about the background simulation and I have some ideas as to why JTi has not been able to make a bid for power in Cerktondhs thus far.

1. Minor factions can have only one state at a time, i.e. JTi can be in BOOM or WAR but not both at the same time.

2. Minor factions have the same state in all systems, i.e. JTi cannot be in BOOM in Vesper-M4 and WAR in Cerktondhs at the same time.

3. As a minor faction approaches being in a state it will show up in the "pending states" section of the minor faction details and it will have "critical" suffixed, e.g. BOOM CRITICAL. Annoyingly there is a long-standing bug that means as soon as you look at the details of a minor faction that does not have a pending state -- and you don't know which in advance! -- all pending states disappear from the UI until you go out to the main menu and back. This makes monitoring pending states difficult!

4. Once a minor faction finishes being in a state it enters a cool-down period. From what I can see this is 3 days for WAR but maybe as much as 25 days for BOOM! I have no evidence but I currently think cool-down periods may block other states and pending states. Confusingly, it also appears that this cool-down is indicated in the pending states UI by the name of the state, i.e. you'll see BOOM pending after an actual BOOM. This may explain why JTi has been showing a "pending" state of BOOM for so long. (Not entirely convinced by this as there's a blue up-arrow against it this morning, although it's widely understood that these arrows are buggy at least for influence levels; we've observed all minor factions with red down arrows in the past, for instance!)

5. WAR can only break out when two minor factions are pending with WAR CRITICAL. So if the other minor faction you're trying to take over happens to be in BOOM at the time, you're out of luck! If I'm right and you can now only have one pending state, even pending BOOM CRITICAL would block. This might explain why we've not got into a situation with Netcoms today even though they've just passed us in influence.

So, what does this all mean?

Well, I think timing our efforts and coordinating between systems is key. Yes, we surged to over 80% but we were still (I think!) cooling down from a past boom. We need to wait until we have no pending states and neither does Cerktondhs Resistance. When we move, we also have to avoid trading and trade missions in both Cerktondhs and Vesper-M4 to stop us accidentally triggering a boom instead; we should be focusing on combat and bounty instead.
 
Missions impossible

So no boom, only war. My brain hurts!

OK. here's a thought - If I accept a load of missions for factions other than JTI, and then just abandon the missions, or let them expire.... will that hurt the other factions influence?
Would it adversely affect my status with these other factions, would I become their "enemy".

C
 
OK. here's a thought - If I accept a load of missions for factions other than JTI, and then just abandon the missions, or let them expire.... will that hurt the other factions influence?
Would it adversely affect my status with these other factions, would I become their "enemy".

This would work but eventually you'll end up unfriendly with all the factions and you won't get any more missions.

An alternative is to boost up the other minor factions so they pass JTi in influence and create a war. This was a "Plan B" we discussed a few pages back on this thread.

Either way, I don't think it's worth "pushing" for any goal until JTi stops showing BOOM as a pending state. I'll post back here if I spot that happening, although I'm feeling like taking a hiatus from Cerktondhs and trying out some Powerplay for a bit so I don't burn out here.
 
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