General / Off-Topic Just a laugh. Anyone want to understand why you can't understand the Universe?

Gypsy12

Gypsy12
Sarcasm...Of course you can...


But it takes some doing. It might be interesting for the Dev's to take a look at this as well. Would anyone like a peek at why we cant make a T.O.E? There is a lot of psychological honesty to be done here. But, sure, I can build you a Universe. And! I shall prove it! Draw a tic tac toe diagram. So you have 9 squares. Top Left: Draw this in order: < + - Next line: -0+ Next line: +-V. Study it carefully. Our universe lies in the middle line. Running from left to right. That diagram you just drew is the answer to everything. It's why we have to unlearn our mental processes.

Just stop now, and think about yourself. You have a job interview. The very last thing you will want to think about is "Maybe". You have a job as a stock analyst. Your boss questions you - Yes or No? God no, that is the last thing you want to do. In this world we are programmed to respond as a mathematical person. You will tally the options and give the best result. And it is always going to be either positive or negative. But this is very interesting. If you look at it, its always going to be a one sided argument. You yourself are only ever a part of the system, and can only ever agree. As a human, looking at it, you are forced to make a consequential, and important for the firm you deal with...answer. Which in turn will always be a one sided positive. For you side. In other words, would you agree that we aim to please?

Naturally...It's what we do. Because we are a society. But here is the problem with our heads. The Universe does not care. It has 3 options: Fact, Fact and Fact.
Going to bed now.
 

VR StarLightPL

VR StarLightPL
Is this a test of a new virus e-mail content generator meaning to spoof spam filters? Because if so, good job.

PS: Diagram for scale:

< + -
- O +
+ - V
 
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Burke

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Gypsy12 said:
Dude. Study what you just got. And look at it closely. Put that diagram together and tell me the is not a problem with your head.
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Of course its your head. You cant hold the universe as a thought any more than the cat can tell what colour the box is.
 
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Gypsy12

Gypsy12
Brianna of Ardagh said:
No, you fool, now you've done it! It's the time cube, in 2D!
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Well, In the off hope, even though ive been banished to an obscure sub forum, it is still important that everyone realizes that this is how your head works. All it is is the resolution of a paradox. I didn't realize some guy went crazy over it... and I can totally understand why he was naive enough to get a "God" complex. It is a powerful thought. Thanks for that Brianna. You educated me. If you take the time though, you will realize - it doesn't actually alter modern physics. It is simply a resolution of a paradox. We always ask what came before. The picture describes our imbalance there. It simply poses: What does nothing mean? This is not such a simple question, and took millennia of thought by us. The ancient Sumerians came up with the mathematical concept of "Zero" but the Indian's advanced it into a religion. It really is up to you how you view it. I am certainly not going to get into theological debate over it.


If you take the position of using it as a toolkit for understanding, for example: as you approach a singularity, then it becomes incredibly useful. That moment where physics and calculation breaks down... It's a great tool. It gives you a guideline. It describes simply that you are a human being that does not work on the "Yes" or "No" principal. You have to have the "Maybe" moment as well. Understanding all those is core to us. What we are doing is translating that information into a format we can understand. As people, we get asked questions. And in our society, we are forced to give definitive answers. Nobody likes "Maybe" You will literally get kicked out of the job interview. It's how we operate.


The Universe on the other hand does not care about that. "Maybe" is included. And as a species, until we grasp that, we don't have a hope of putting physics together.
 
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moorison

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If the point you are trying to make is "our perception and understanding of things generally allows for unsatisfying vague answers only" then I don't see a reason to challenge that idea. However your initial diagram is still a mystery to me. I am willing to give you the benefit of a doubt that there is an intended meaning behind it and I might perceive the universe differently from you, a few notes regarding the meaning of the symbols would be appreciated.

What I see is some kind of diagonal symmetry. It is not a displeasing pattern. But it is meaningless to me.
 

Winterwalker

Winterwalker
Gypsy12 said:
And as a species, until we grasp that, we don't have a hope of putting physics together.
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Hate to be all boring but I don't think we've hope of ever putting physics "all" together. Period, actually.

Great models of course, there are tons that work on a level we can use them but on the deeper level, of fully describing the Nature of the Universe? Imo it's an impossible problem because we can never (ever) step outside our Universe to get a datum (lack of Universe) to compare what's inside, to it. As such any scale you choose is always going to be arbitrary and I reckon we should really ask our best Cern Physicists to answer that one, before they use as much power as somewhere like Oslo does in a year, for a microsecond's fun again.

If they can't, then it might be an idea to get them to lay off the Onionhead - aka. fully paid professorships for total guesswork about the internals of blackholes - and tell them they won't be given a more powerful particle accelartor (to 'discover' smaller pieces - go figure!) until they've applied themselves to solving some really quite pressing real world problems first.

Like I say, that's dull but seriously, most three year olds know that - chances are - smacking her with a bigger hammer produces smaller bits of Barbie. They'll also tell you Particle Physics is probably a cop out anyway, chosen because (a) quark is a cool sounding something so fund me and (b) Probability Wave Theory needs you to do proper difficult maths (especially because you can't step outside the Universe to compare what's inside to it ...).

Probability is .. they'll just carry on though. Sunk Cost and all that right? [up]
 
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Gypsy12

Gypsy12
moorison said:
If the point you are trying to make is "our perception and understanding of things generally allows for unsatisfying vague answers only" then I don't see a reason to challenge that idea. However your initial diagram is still a mystery to me. I am willing to give you the benefit of a doubt that there is an intended meaning behind it and I might perceive the universe differently from you, a few notes regarding the meaning of the symbols would be appreciated.

What I see is some kind of diagonal symmetry. It is not a displeasing pattern. But it is meaningless to me.
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Its a representation of an idea. That idea is the resolution of Paradox. Lets have an example. You throw a dice up into the air and stop time. People usually have a mental picture of a dice stuck there floating in the air. They can walk around the person, and perhaps draw something silly on the forehead of the other person for laughs. In this hypothetical situation, something entirely different would happen. See, you just took entropy away. There is literally no time for things to exist in. (Spacetime) You dude, just destroyed the Universe! Of course someone might butt in now, and say... well dude.. this is claptrap! You cant stop time! So you are spouting waffle - True, but that isn't the point. I firmly believe we don't give possibility itself much credit.


Sometimes we as humans make really stupid mistakes. And naming something can totally alter our perception of things. Remember Johnny Cash's a boy named Sue? Well, your buddy turns around and tells you that your wife just slept with Sue! Depressed, you don't get angry, thinking to yourself "Ah well... If she is that way..." and pack your bags up. Sure, we got a few things right... the other person was a human, That person slept with your wife, but...because your buddy neglected to mention something rather important...you just presumed something falsely.

Now what if we renamed spacetime to "Possibility"? Everything we know about it stays exactly the same. No physics are changed. But all of a sudden, an awful lot of things in our perception change. We know that mass influences time. The larger the mass, the slower the time. Even planes travelling have to account for it. Near a black hole, it gets so bad that our physics starts to go out the window. When time originally started, possibility was almost at zero. Which means we have a large problem. It must have at some stage been zero right? Which means there could never be a possibility of the Universe starting right? It's state could never change. And that is where that diagram above comes from. It describes how it (The Universe) figured a way around it.
 
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