Horizons just another no mans sky

[HUSKER222]

Elite Dangerous has become another "No Mans Sky" whatever happened to planets with atmosphere, commander creator, walking around ships? THey keep adding things but add no depth and do not work on the things they've added in. Power play is the biggest waste of time, CQC??
Yeah it looks pretty though and the sounds are cool but once you landed on one planet all the rest look the same. Star Citizen has so much more. I hated on it for so long because of Elite but Elite Dangerous literally just sucks the fun out of it.

 

[Non Grata]

Thanks for that.

 

[Chris Simon]

Goodbye. Enjoy playing better space sims. Don't forget to come and tell us if you find them.

 

[RhymeRhyme]

Elite Dangerous has become another "No Mans Sky" whatever happened to planets with atmosphere, commander creator, walking around ships? THey keep adding things but add no depth and do not work on the things they've added in. Power play is the biggest waste of time, CQC??
Yeah it looks pretty though and the sounds are cool but once you landed on one planet all the rest look the same. Star Citizen has so much more. I hated on it for so long because of Elite but Elite Dangerous literally just sucks the fun out of it.

I totally agree with you BUT I have to say, that things take time. The development of SC takes also ages and they have 20 times more cash at their hands than FDev for Elite. So, it's a bit unfair to compare 1:1.

But you're right, the game still has no depth at all, it's utterly boring and IMHO, the designer(s) have no clue what they do. Adding more stuff doesn't help. This game needs a goal, an integrated storyline and meaningful gameplay. The eternal loop slike shooting down ships or grinding for modded stuff aren't really gameplay. They are time sinks with 0,00000 purpose. Our gameplay has no purpose, there's nothing really to achieve. No overall goal, no story that carries our gameplay etc.

As you say, it's basis is great, sound, gfx, atmosphere etc., but FDev really has to get away from PROCEDURALLY MAGIC = all is the same and repetitive and give this game more depth and a goal for us players, visible story, game action has impact etc.

But I don't see a point why to totally quit. It can be still entertaining. I hope for better content and I fire it up from time to time. You have to admit that what they did so far (except the gameplay) is pretty awesome and I'm sure planets with atmosphere will be great!

 

[Chris Simon]

I totally agree with you BUT I have to say, that things take time. The development of SC takes also ages and they have 20 times more cash than at their hands than FDev for Elite. So, it's a bit unfair to compare 1:1.

But you're right, the game still has no depth at all, it's utterly boring and IMHO, the designer(s) have no clue what they do. Adding more stuff doesn't help. This game needs a goal, an integrated storyline, a goal and meaningful gameplay.

As you say, it's basis is great, sound, gfx, atmosphere etc., but FDev really has to get away from PROCEDURALLY MAGIC = all is the same and repetitive and give this game more depth and a goal for us players, visible story, game action has impact etc.

But I don't see a point why to totally quit. It can be still entertaining. I hope for better content and I fire it up from time to time.

And I disagree with that. Procedurally generated sandbox is what Elite is. And always has been. If you can say things like that it needs a goal, you simply didn't get the point.
You can of course dislike it. But you won't change it.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

You are joking right. SC has nothing compared to ED yet. And yes I have played 2.6. It's not even close.

I do agree that there needs to be more compelling reasons to do missions, but so far SC has none.

 

[RhymeRhyme]

And I disagree with that. Procedurally generated sandbox is what Elite is. And always has been. If you can say things like that it needs a goal, you simply didn't get the point.
You can of course dislike it. But you won't change it.

Well, you didn't get the point that procedurally is cheap, quick and "easy". It has a big advantage but comes with a big disadvantage. Dull repetition. The reason why it Elite "has always been like that" is that it's the only way to produce such a game with a given amount of money and time. But, that doesn't mean it's great. It's good and cool in one way but boring and repetitive and lacking gameplay on the other hand.

Just face it! This game is a repetition loop and if you like it or not, it's boring after a couple of months. But, continue and fight for your fanboy game as is so everything stays the way it is. Then this game is dead sooner than you can say Friend shift drive. If you like the repetition loops and the time sinks, fine. But other players have a different view on this game. If it was planned like that or not. It doesn't matter. The result is utterly boring for a certain part of the player base. I'm not going to shoot another 5.000 skimmer nor do I sink another 150 hours driving over planets searching (gigantically grinding) for engineer stuff.

The game and BGS mostly keeps players "busy". But interesting gameplay is missing.

And, this game has a storyline. Why do you think FDev did that? But it's totally disconnected from the game. It's an ASCII desert noone really follows. But you also think it's the way it should be? No,it's not. It was just the way they could do it with the given amount of money and time. I'm 100% sure that FDev would have liked to integrate it in the game from the very beginning.

 

[Chris Simon]

Well, you didn't get the point that procedurally is cheap, quick and "easy". It has a big advantage but comes with a big disadvantage. Dull repetition. The reason why it Elite "has always been like that" is that it's the only way to produce such a game with a given amount of money and time. But, that doesn't mean it's great. It's good and cool in one way but boring and repetitive and lacking gameplay on the other hand.

Just face it! This game is a repetition loop and if you like it or not, it's boring after a couple of months. But, continue and fight for your fanboy game as is so everything stays the way it is. Then this game is dead sooner than you can say Friend shift drive. If you like the repetition loops and the time sinks, fine. But other players have a different view on this game. If it was planned like that or not. It doesn't matter. The result is utterly boring for a certain part of the player base. I'm not going to shoot another 5.000 skimmer nor do I sink another 150 hours driving over planets searching (gigantically grinding) for engineer stuff.

The game and BGS mostly keeps players "busy". But interesting gameplay is missing.

And, this game has a storyline. Why do you think FDev did that? But it's totally disconnected from the game. It's an ASCII desert noone really follows. But you also think it's the way it should be? No,it's not. It was just the way they could do it with the given amount of money and time. I'm 100% sure that FDev would have liked to integrate it in the game from the very beginning.

Wrong again!
Yes, the repetition and boredom for someone can be peace and relaxation for another.
Just face it. Elite will always be like that. The base game and how it works won't change. There will be more stuff around and on top, but it will always work the same way. If you don't like it now, you won't like it three years from now.

Yes, I'm a fanboy. I love the game and it didn't start to bore me even after 20 weeks of game time.
As a fanboy, I would love to see everyone else liking the game, of course. And I am helping them to play it.
You, on the other hand, are trying to point out its faults. And help them to steer away.
The game and its development has use for both of us.

But there's a certain mindset that warrants a happy user, you know.
It's better to love things for what they ARE, than hating them because they aren't what they (subjectively) should be.
This mindset helps you in many situations, from marriage to gaming. Just some food for thought.

 

[RhymeRhyme]

Wrong again!
Yes, the repetition and boredom for someone can be peace and relaxation for another.
Just face it. Elite will always be like that. The base game and how it works won't change. There will be more stuff around and on top, but it will always work the same way. If you don't like it now, you won't like it three years from now.

Yes, I'm a fanboy. I love the game and it didn't start to bore me even after 20 weeks of game time.
As a fanboy, I would love to see everyone else liking the game, of course.
You, of course, are trying to show its faults.
The game and its development has use for both of us.

Well, to be honest, the game hasn't much use for me anymore after 2 years. It could be that the game stays the way it is. But I'm sure this is not what a game company really wants. It's more or less a lack of skilled game designer(!) s.. ss... sss. Maybe only one. But the repetition is a waste of time. I played a Battlefield a looooooooot. It's super repetition as every map and the setting is always the same. But the great online gameplay makes every single match a different experience. I would like to get that for Elite. A shame this diamond doesn't get polished.

I'm sure that the game as it is at the moment is not what FDev really would like to go for. It's the result of a limitation in money and time. They can't really aim for such a repetitive and thus boring gameplay.

But as you say, the player base is divers and has different appinions about the game.

 

[Tryst]

To be totally brutal, it's Elite Frontier without a few things that even Frontier had and a few prettier graphics. As far as gameplay goes, it's pretty much the same thing repeated over and over. Sure the galaxy is too big for even a thousand players to explore it all in their lifetime but there's practically nothing in it, one system is pretty much the same as any other, seen it once, seen it a thousand times.

Powerplay sucks really, it's nothing more than a series of conflict zones, not unlike a lot of the other USS we see, maybe just a bit more intense with regards to combat. The engineering update leaves a lot to be desired since you have to use third party sites to understand it and even then, it's little more than a gamble with no skill at all involved. Planetary landings are long winded and tedious and most players I speak to avoid landing on planets unless they really have to because of it. The SRV scanner is broken with no sign of a fix so prospecting is pretty borked as well. Other bugs and problems that players have reported many times over are being ignored.

I play tops for about half an hour before I have to go away for a few hours because I'm already bored senseless with the endless grind, whether it be for engineering mats or credits. Then the game forces you into areas you didn't really want to go (piracy) unless you want to take ten+ times as long to farm the mats you need from randomly spawning USS that aren't as random as you'd think.

FD add something new like the Engineers without really putting much thought into how it's going to affect the game as a whole. Oh well, never mind, you'll just have to kill of any rep your character had and go pirating to get the stuff. Either that, or become prey to someone else who didn't care about their characters rep. Really, even Elite Frontier and First Encounter had more depth than this game has.

 

[Chris Simon]

Well, to be honest, the game hasn't much use for me anymore after 2 years. It could be that the game stays the way it is. But I'm sure this is not what a game company really wants. It's more or less a lack of skilled game designer(!) s.. ss... sss. Maybe only one. But the repetition is a waste of time. I played a Battlefield a looooooooot. It's super repetition as every map and the setting is always the same. But the great online gameplay makes every single match a different experience. I would like to get that for Elite. A shame this diamond doesn't get polished.

I'm sure that the game as it is at the moment is not what FDev really would like to go for. It's the result of a limitation in money and time. They can't really aim for such a repetitive and thus boring gameplay.

Hey, I'm not blind or dumb.
But I'd rather have an unpolished diamond than polished turd.

 

[_Iceman_]

I think FD. will bring future improvements, they take time but finally come to the obvious needs. It was a long fight but finally ED became more balanced with the last 2.2.03, so they are on the right way and they may need to be also encouraged to continue ....[yesnod]

 

[Lordxenu]

Well this is a helpful thread i might start a new one that says elite lacks the features of fifa and is rubbish at letting you drive race cars...... Seriously what are you trying to achieve? The game isnt for everyone just like nearly everything in the world so why post? Do you think fdev will read this and go "ahhhh thats where weve gone wrong guys lets throw this out and make star citizen!"

Sorry for the tone but i just find these posts that add nothing then berate people who like the game just weird post this in the sc forum so everyone can get excited there.

 

[Peter Thompson]

By this time I would expect threads like these to at least have a song and dance number.

 

[Chris Simon]

Well this is a helpful thread i might start a new one that says elite lacks the features of fifa and is rubbish at letting you drive race cars...... Seriously what are you trying to achieve? The game isnt for everyone just like nearly everything in the world so why post? Do you think fdev will read this and go "ahhhh thats where weve gone wrong guys lets throw this out and make star citizen!"

Sorry for the tone but i just find these posts that add nothing then berate people who like the game just weird post this in the sc forum so everyone can get excited there.

You are correct that it is a pointless thread like many others.
But berating? Nah, I personally love these people, trying to tell me why I should hate Elite.
It just shows me why I love it and how all the points they are making are petty and, tbh, kind of childish. It's that kind of "I've got this LEGO airplane set and I am trying to built a quarry excavator out of it, but it doesn't have the right bricks and pieces. This LEGO is crap" argument.

 

[RhymeRhyme]

Well this is a helpful thread i might start a new one that says elite lacks the features of fifa and is rubbish at letting you drive race cars...... Seriously what are you trying to achieve? The game isnt for everyone just like nearly everything in the world so why post? Do you think fdev will read this and go "ahhhh thats where weve gone wrong guys lets throw this out and make star citizen!"

Sorry for the tone but i just find these posts that add nothing then berate people who like the game just weird post this in the sc forum so everyone can get excited there.

Of course they listen. They listen a lot. FDev is a publicly listed company. Do you think they can afford to do a fun game that fits their needs? No, they have to deliver and that's why they listen. Why do you think they made a big survey about the delivery costs and times for ship transfer. They have to please a mojority with their product to make money as every other company as well. Pleasing the majority doesn't (always) mean to hit the right spot. As our society consits of a lot of "funny peopl", many times pleasing the majority is driving mankind into hell. But for Elite... come on, there could be more than we got so far.

So, this is an important thread as it shows how f**ed up some players are. if they want the money for the next season, they will have to listen. as simple as that. this game isn't for fun, it's to make money. sorry folks, beyond your univerity research towers and whatever you do, there's life and reality. and these posts of a lot of people and fanboys here just showed me once more how many players are ... not really aware and of hiding from real life. It's like ... 'But it's nice to be in my virtual repetition loop where I'm in charge'. Fu***el rats!. Get your things together and be a man or woman. Stop hiding behind your screens. This game could be an adventure. But it's boringness at it's best.

 

[Chris Simon]

Of course they listen. They listen a lot. FDev is a publicly listed company. Do you think they can afford to do a fun game that fits their needs? No, they have to deliver and that's why they listen. Why do you think they made a big survey about the delivery costs and times for ship transfer. They have to please a mojority with their product to make money as every other company as well.

So, this is an important thread as it shows how messed up some players are. if they want the money for the next season, they will have to listen. as simple as that

No. They listen to suggestions and ideas posted in the right parts of forums and worded correctly in polite, helpful manner.
Nobody will pay attention to this thread except the moderators.

 

[Tryst]

I expect people to stand up and defend it but to say it's the best thing since sliced bread is pushing it a bit.

I don't compare it to any other game, all I say is that it lacks the ability to keep a lot of people coming back. Someone I know bought it a week ago, he hasn't played it for about 2 days now because he's bored already. Honestly, less than a week to become bored with it, that is saying something about how poor the content is.

 

[Ian Phillips]

By this time I would expect threads like these to at least have a song and dance number.

Here you go:
[video=youtube;D1ZYhVpdXbQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1ZYhVpdXbQ[/video]

 

[Chris Simon]

This one goes better with the theme:
[video=youtube;lNYcviXK4rg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNYcviXK4rg[/video]