PvP Killing a player repeatedly can be considered "greifing". Getting yourself killed by the same player repeatedly...

[Punished Mobius]

Killing a player repeatedly can be considered "greifing". Getting yourself killed by the same player repeatedly...

...Can be considered stupidity. What can be considered even more stupid is if that player not only died but came back to the system to call their murderer names. Now what can be more stupid than that? Well try this. Now imagine doing all the above. And still actually thinking your murderer will be banned for playing the game as intended.

I hear people say "That's 3 times now you attack me you will be banned for greifing" yada yada. It doesn't work like that. Three encounters inside an hour or so is pretty normal. And is hardly stalking. Odds are better that I genuinely don't remember killing you already. And not a case of a person becoming obsessed with killing you specifically.

 

[Gamatech]

Personally I would call any sort of attack that isn't justified by bounty, cargo, or faction allegiance grieving. If you attack just "for the lols" I feel you should be penalised for it, but that's just me.

 

[Tadeus72]

What? Why not in the PVP section?

Other than that, knowing how support works in other games where such things happen... I wouldn't be surprised if the ganker gets banned/warned/whatever even if the victim came back to him to get killed

 

[Punished Mobius]

Personally I would call any sort of attack that isn't justified by bounty, cargo, or faction allegiance grieving. If you attack just "for the lols" I feel you should be penalised for it, but that's just me.

I would agree. And they do get penalized for it. I would say the new rebuy system is annoying enough of a punishment. (once you commit a player v player crime you get stuck with paying the rebuy for the offending ship no matter how you die later on, I would even say it is trying too hard. Having past the reasonable middle ground and straight into arbitrary excessiveness already, But that's just me)

 

[Alderius]

Sheesh, there should be a disclaimer next to the Open option that says "no rules, no rants, no crying, here be dragons...."

 

[Gamatech]

Sheesh, there should be a disclaimer next to the Open option that says "no rules, no rants, no crying, here be dragons...."

I thinka more appropriate disclaimer would be "no rules, but don't be a duck". If you persistantly team-kill in Overwatch that's a punishable offense. Players in open aren't your enemy without a justifiable cannonical reason with good foundation, such as faction alligiences, bounties, or pirating.

 

[Aashenfox]

Did you post this in case the dude judging who gets administrative action reads the forums? Or for the benefit of your obviously hapless and frustrated victim? Did you even consider letting him off at any point?

 

[Sunleader]

I dont think there was any Griefing Penalty anyways.

I think I femember something tvat if you continuesly Murdered Players. The Game after a while just puts you in a seperate instance with other Murderers so you dont actually find people to grief anymore.


Not sure how its handled tough.
Never bothered with it as I dont Play Open anyways.

 

[ryan_m]

If you attack just "for the lols" I feel you should be penalised for it, but that's just me.

Good luck determining intent.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

Personally I would call any sort of attack that isn't justified by bounty, cargo, or faction allegiance grieving. If you attack just "for the lols" I feel you should be penalised for it, but that's just me.

You are playing the wrong game.

 

[Punished Mobius]

Did you post this in case the dude judging who gets administrative action reads the forums? Or for the benefit of your obviously hapless and frustrated victim? Did you even consider letting him off at any point?

I just hear that line a lot. After dealing with some people who refuse to accept that players attacking players is allowed (And even encouraged) I just wanted to point out that a player or group of players attacking a player multiple times does not equate to rule breaking "greifing". They all seem to quote this myth that if you attack a player 3 or more times it is considered "harassment" that is simply not true. If they are being given demands or are trying to break a blockade than that is on them. It only becomes harassment in the most extreme cases.

For your last question yes I did consider letting them off. If they comply with my demands I will do so. In the most recent case they "victim" was invading my home system of Morgor. I did not recall giving him a permit to be there so I asked him his business. When he chose to flee rather than respond to my hails he also chose death. And the time after that...Until he finally returned my hails and was allowed to carry on his business after paying the troll toll of Morgor.

 

[Morbad]

bounty, cargo, or faction allegiance

An absurdly narrow spread of the potential motivations that have nothing to do with the intent to cause another player any grief.

 

[Tadeus72]

Yeah, it's just the famous old mythos of the Elite Pirate, who doesn't kill his victims and is a perfect gentleman. Except that it's not a thing:
- In other online games
- In history
- In current times in our reality
- Hell, not even in Disney pirate movies

Yes, pirates are often maniacs that kill their victims (even for fun, or as part of a drunken bet!). Or to cover their tracks and not leave behind any witnesses, Everywhere. Just not in the minds of some Elite players

No idea where it came from.

Buuut back to the topic

I just wanted to point out that a player or group of players attacking a player multiple times does not equate to rule breaking "greifing".

How are you so sure? Is there even something about griefing in the game rules?

 

[Mohrgan]

Somebody called you names, and you need to run to the internet/forum for some consolation? That's the same things as someone running here to cry about being destroyed. There needs to be a class on identifying irony around here.

 

[Punished Mobius]

Somebody called you names, and you need to run to the internet/forum for some consolation? That's the same things as someone running here to cry about being destroyed. There needs to be a class on identifying irony around here.

This was meant to be a sort of PSA on the difference between actual harassment and just stupidly throwing yourself into danger repeatedly and then crying about it.

C'mon now give me a little credit here. I think you should know my skin is a little thicker than that with all our lovely in game meetings :3

Also I know what Irony is.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Yeah, it's just the famous old mythos of the Elite Pirate, who doesn't kill his victims and is a perfect gentleman. Except that it's not a thing:
- In other online games
- In history
- In current times in our reality
- Hell, not even in Disney pirate movies

Yes, pirates are often maniacs that kill their victims (even for fun, or as part of a drunken bet!). Or to cover their tracks and not leave behind any witnesses, Everywhere. Just not in the minds of some Elite players

Might be true, but it's also irrelevant. Gameplay is the main ingredient which you indeed cannot find in real life or movies. Same as the punishment. It's not fun gameplay to have a pirate get a death sentence (a permanent one, not the magic get out of death for free mechanic which is also not to be found anywhere else but games) or a life long prison sentence.

I have enjoyed being pirated by another player. Both times it happened in a two year period.

 

[Arguendo]

Yeah, it's just the famous old mythos of the Elite Pirate, who doesn't kill his victims and is a perfect gentleman. Except that it's not a thing:
- In other online games
- In history
- In current times in our reality

Since you brought it up. How many people have the pirates off the Somalian coast killed again? Even they are smart enough to know that if you always kill your victims, you won't be getting any loot.

How are you so sure? Is there even something about griefing in the game rules?

It's referred to as Harassment in the TOS/EULA/amplifying remarks by FDev.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

Since you brought it up. How many people have the pirates off the Somalian coast killed again? Even they are smart enough to know that if you always kill your victims, you won't be getting any loot.


It's referred to as Harassment in the TOS/EULA/amplifying remarks by FDev.

Harassment is not killing people in game mkay?


Harassment is when you scream in comms racial / homophobic cancer directed to the same player over and over (although the amount of times is questionable).

Killing someone in a multiplayer shooting game is not a harassment, get over it, you have SOLO /PG, go play there and noone will "harass" you, I dont know what is it with this game in particular but the amount of whining about being killed by players in this MULTIPLAYER SHOOTING game is absurd.

 

[Arguendo]

Harassment is not killing people in game mkay?

FDev have clearly stated that killing people in game can be harassment, but it all depends on intent. One example they used was stream sniping a charity event.

Harassment is when you scream in comms racial / homophobic cancer directed to the same player over and over (although the amount of times is questionable).

That is one form of harassment, not the definition of it.

Killing someone in a multiplayer shooting game is not a harassment, get over it, you have SOLO /PG, go play there and noone will "harass" you, I dont know what is it with this game in particular but the amount of whining about being killed by players in this MULTIPLAYER SHOOTING game is absurd.

Unbunch your underwear, will you?
I never said that killing someone else was harassment. The guy I replied to asked if FDev mentioned griefing in their game rules. The answer is; no, they don't mention griefing. They refer to it as harassment.

 

[Gunnet]

From your second paragraph, it sounds like repeatedly targetting the same player isn't exactly a rare occurrence for you. Especially if it's "pretty normal" to attack them three times in the space of an hour, which is easily regular enough to prevent somebody playing the game normally while being targetted.

So the only question which remains is; are you trying to convince us or yourself?