Killing new Players: CMDR Sabbathias vs. CMDR [REDACTED]

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Sabbathias

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Hi all,

I started playing Elite only recently (aside from the ole spectrum) and I thought I'd convince a friend to join me. We've been flying, mostly trading for a week or so gradually making a small amount of money. Sure enough I was flying in short hops, open play with 100 tonnes of Palladium when I get interdicted. A courteous CMDR [REDACTED] sporting an Imperial Clipper messages me, "eject cargo, power down...usual stuff", when I naturally tried to move my slug of a hauler to FSD; blasts my shields out from under me and my thrusters too. CMDR [REDACTED] also messaged me that this event was being recorded. I was thinking, great, getting schooled and then embarrassed on video.

So, I was spinning in space with my life support ticking away and messaging CMDR [REDACTED] back and forth listing to his demands for 35 tonnes of Goods. Nice guy. I performed my best (glib) noob attempt clicking buttons trying to get my ship powered back up while trying to figure what the hell to do. The CMDR [REDACTED] was helping me explaining what to do to get the ship online however I realized there was only one choice. Pull a 'CMDR Logoffski' on it. So while keeping him chatting pretending to be obeying orders, I 'menu' logged off watching the timer tick down.

...5,4,3,2,1. logoff. heh. I hope he was still recording cause I was still laughing.

I stayed offline for 20mins or so and logged back, checked ship contacts, repaired ship and FSD'd. My teammate was not so lucky; about 30 minutes later he encountered the very same CMDR [REDACTED] while trading, got a warning and then got 'd. Luckily he didn't have a lot of cargo (35k or so)

So apologies with the disjointed thoughts above; in a nutshell if you are a pirate with lots of money, life's good. There is little or no punishment (200 credits?) for killing newbs. I know there is lots of comments on this but my point is this, new players are the lifeblood of the game. Killing them (knowing or unknowingly) is bad. The game needs to provide reasonable protection for new people (id'd by rank, skill level, trade data) so that if a 1%'er decides to kill them that they really will be a eye watering penalty. It cannot be monetary fine either, as most will have the funds to shoo away the paltry fine. Maybe a week or so on the systems and allied wanted list, persisting through death.(cheap ship, self-destruct.) That or maybe that pirating credit penalty doesn't completely wipe off and leaves a permanent 'reputation/credit taint' on your character. So as you pirate more and more, the systems forgives you less and less on a permanent basis. Basically you are becoming evil and its a system wide reputation deduction. If yer evil, tomorrow or next week isn't going to make you any less evil.


I understand the game is realistic but the game environment needs new players all the time and we have to nurture more people that they join the Elite community.

The jump in points for Friendly and wealthy systems needs more patrols as for what should have been a trip to drop goods off via the 405 Freeway turned into a coastal cruise along Somalia. In a anarchy system I wouldn't mind, the system I got interdicted in was a wealthy Federation system.

Anyways. I was lucky. My friend was not. I hope that the Devs modify their strategy to a community-based model to grow E:D into the coming years.

thanks
Sabbathias
 
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ste

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You cant be that new to have a ship with 100t of palladium in the bay, and if he did record it and has you logging off during an attack its evidence of you cheating.
 

Pendra

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Pulling a Logofsky while on camera.
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Kongou

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ste said:
You cant be that new to have a ship with 100t of palladium in the bay, and if he did record it and has you logging off during an attack its evidence of you cheating.
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Don't think using the menu to log out is considered cheating since there's a cool-down timer on it. I thought it only applied to something like forcing the process to end?
 

teaurn

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Not cheating unless he pulls the Ethernet, or ends the process....

If he uses the built in game mechanic of quitting and waiting for the mandatory 15 sec countdown, it's not cheating at all.

Could be classed as dashed unsporting, a little yellow maybe, but not cheating :D
 

Deleted member 38366

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From all I've read - that CMDR was a proper Pirate going along his business - and had no intention to destroy the ship.

IMHO : should have tossed him some Cargo, pending any better Options.

Logoffski isn't an honorable method to avoid trouble in Open Play.
You'll soon learn that a good Pirate is heaps & bounds better than the guys who just blow up your ship for no apparent reason - over and over if they can.
Compared to these, you can consider a good Pirate your best friend any day, trust me on that.

So seriously : accept Pirate Players as a good part of the game and make your choices how to deal with them - but logging off shouldn't be amongst those Options.

Appreciate them. Plus, they provide excellent Interdiction Evasion training. Training that might one day save you while running from a Killer.
If an Open Play Pirate wins an interdiction against me - IMHO he earned his money.

If Credits are too tight to afford the loss of some Cargo : I'd recommend Group or Solo play until your Credit balance affords for some more relaxed comfort on these matters. Really makes a huge difference and I fully understand that.
 
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CMDR Corleone

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I've encountered worse dropping goods off via the 405, what's the matter with you?

Is this what you've become, a Hollywood finocchio who cries like a woman? "Oh, what do I do? What do I do?" and then logs off? What is that nonsense?
 

ste

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Kongou said:
Don't think using the menu to log out is considered cheating since there's a cool-down timer on it. I thought it only applied to something like forcing the process to end?
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I suppose not, it maybe is abusing a system that was added so people could quit the game in mid space when too far away from a station. Its intended use is not to evade attack thats for sure.
 
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Darkphoenix

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Playing devil's advocate logging off is not the exploit......the exploit is killing the task immediately through task manager or dropping to desktop and performing the ole right click followed by end task now. Is logging off while delaying a bit of poor sportsmanship....sure.....but so are a lot of other things that are currently "playing within the rules of the game".
 

Kongou

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ste said:
I suppose not, its abusing a system that was added so people could quit the game in mid space when too far away from a station. Its intended use is not to evade attack thats for sure.
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There's a 15 second timer for combat though? You can quit instantly as long as there's no hostile contact on dradis or you have fired recently.
 

CMDR Kolibri

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ste said:
I suppose not, its abusing a system that was added so people could quit the game in mid space when too far away from a station. Its intended use is not to evade attack thats for sure.
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I don't think FD, you, or anyone else has a say when I am allowed to hit esc -> save and exit on my computer and wait for the timer to run down. Definitely no abuse of game mechanics.
 
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TorTorden_VR

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Another case where ccp actually did something right with the log off timer that refreshes when targeted by players, you might be logged off but you will still loose.

Sabbathias, I hope you have a different CMDR nick that on forums (but once we find the video that won't help) since you will be hunted and rightly so. Especially considering how nice the pirate was.
 
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MissMeYet

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What happens when someones does a Logoffski? Does that ship just wink out, or maybe fly straight and level for a while? Thanks
 

ste

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EddyRockSteady said:
ROFL logging off via the ED menu, ie SAVE and EXIT is now cheating?

Really people, engage cerebrum prior to posting, please :D
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If this is not cheating I dont know what is. Or is using delay tactics so you can wait for the count down timer to end so you can quit a viable tactic now, and will we next be crying that pirates are blowing us up without giving us time to respond in fear we are waiting for the log off timer.

I guess it is frontiers fault for having this cooldown timer in the first place. What is its purpose other than for this very reason. You should have to be away from hostile ships to save.
 

CMDR Kolibri

CMDR Kolibri
ste said:
If this is not cheating I dont know what is. Or is using delay tactics so you can wait for the count down timer to end so you can quit a viable tactic now, and will we next be crying that pirates are blowing us up without giving us time to respond in fear we are waiting for the log off timer.

I guess it is frontiers fault for having this cooldown timer in the first place. What is its purpose other than for this very reason. You should have to be away from hostile ships to save.
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It's not cheating. It's called "logging out".
 
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