Knights of Beneverchio in Avalon: struggling to take control

[LuPoN]

Good Day Everyone,

I'm here writing asking for advices as I'm plagued by doubt on what to do next on our quest to have our Minor Faction in Avalon (Empire aligned) to rise into power against the Avalon Organization.

We are currently experiencing a Famine which should recede shortly also thanks to the effort of a few indipendent players and a group in a neighboring system, the Sisters of Meropis.

What troubled me was this situation that we had yesterday in Avalon:

Avalon Organisation Corporate Empire - Pending: None - Current: None Inf: 29,4%
Knights of Beneverchio [PLAYER] Feudal - Pending: None - Current: Famine Inf: 29,4%​

We had no Civil War triggering also because the Avalon Organization was undergoing Elections in the only neighboring system left from their expansion:

Avalon Organisation Corporate Empire Elections 36.2% (and rising)
CD-53 136 Partners Corporate Empire Elections 31.6% (and receeding)​

Today's situation, upon update of the BGS, is the following:

Knights of Beneverchio [PLAYER] Feudal Empire - Pending: Boom▲ - Current: None Inf: 30.8% (and rising)
Avalon Organisation Corporate Empire - Pending: Boom▲ - Current: None Inf: 26.1% (and dropping)​

While in CD-53 136 the Elections have ended as follows:

CD-53 136 Partners Corporate Empire - Pending Boom▲ - Recovering from Elections 36% (and rising)
Avalon Organisation Corporate Empire - Pending Boom▲ - Recovering from Elections 34% (and dropping)​

I personally did push in order to not have the Avalon Organization win them.

What to do now? Should I do some inf+++ missions for the Avalon Organization so they don't continue to drop in Avalon? Will I be able to get a Civil War in Avalon before they get into further elections in CD-53 136? their influence levels are really close and I'm going to do some missions for the CD-53 136 Partners in order to set them more apart.

Any tips are welcome!

Thank you on behalf of the Knights of Beneverchio

 

[Jane Turner]

It depends mostly on how big the population is. If its over 1.5 million I would do nothing other than wait from the election to end. 48 hours after the election for Avalon Org ends you will be able to trigger your control war by attempting to pass one faction past the other (raise whichever is behind).

If it a small population system you may as well keep pushing your action and get to over 60%, ready to trigger a coup once the election ends

 

[LuPoN]

It depends mostly on how big the population is. If its over 1.5 million I would do nothing other than wait from the election to end. 48 hours after the election for Avalon Org ends you will be able to trigger your control war by attempting to pass one faction past the other (raise whichever is behind).

If it a small population system you may as well keep pushing your action and get to over 60%, ready to trigger a coup once the election ends

I've already rigged the elections which are over (probably I didn't explain that well in the second part) having the opposing faction win.

Avalon is a 1.5 Million system, and we tried pushing past 60% once: we reached 45% then there was a MASSIVE bounties cash in that had us fall back into limbo (since the Avalon Organisation is in control).

Right now our faction and the controlling faction are 4.5% apart and have both "Boom" state pending: should I try to raise the Avalon Organisation by that small amount?

 

[CMDR pollycough]

I've already rigged the elections which are over (probably I didn't explain that well in the second part) having the opposing faction win.

Avalon is a 1.5 Million system, and we tried pushing past 60% once: we reached 45% then there was a MASSIVE bounties cash in that had us fall back into limbo (since the Avalon Organisation is in control).

Right now our faction and the controlling faction are 4.5% apart and have both "Boom" state pending: should I try to raise the Avalon Organisation by that small amount?

Not yet!.
You will not be able to trigger another conflict until the last one has completed its cooldown period. Election IIRC is 48 hours, So start work after the tick on 13/03/3303.

 

[Ryan Murdoc]

Not yet!.
You will not be able to trigger another conflict until the last one has completed its cooldown period. Election IIRC is 48 hours, So start work after the tick on 13/03/3303.

When the Election state ended on todays tick (11th) he can start working after tomorrows tick (12th) to re-equalise on the 13th again.

 

[LuPoN]

Not yet!.
You will not be able to trigger another conflict until the last one has completed its cooldown period. Election IIRC is 48 hours, So start work after the tick on 13/03/3303.

When the Election state ended on todays tick (11th) he can start working after tomorrows tick (12th) to re-equalise on the 13th again.

Thank you both for the invaluable support! I can't wait to put things into action!

 

[LuPoN]

Good Day wonderful community,

Today's tick should be the one to see whether we'll get a pending Civil War or not, and here comes my question for today:

Do we need to have the exact same influence between the two factions to enter a Civil War or there is a small % threshold?

I'm asking this since we manage to keep ourselves close in influence with the Avalon Organisation, and before today's tick we have the following figures:

Knights of Beneverchio [PLAYER] Feudal Empire Boom 27.6%
Avalon Organisation Corporate Empire Boom 25.2%​

We're within the 2.4% of difference, will this still trigger the Civil War?

Will the Civil War start straight away or will there be a Pending State before?

Thanks everyone!

 

[Ian Doncaster]

Do we need to have the exact same influence between the two factions to enter a Civil War or there is a small % threshold?

It needs to be exact - but, if the two factions are free to enter a conflict, they will stick at equal on the next tick rather than crossing, so just push the lower one up a bit.

 

[LuPoN]

It needs to be exact - but, if the two factions are free to enter a conflict, they will stick at equal on the next tick rather than crossing, so just push the lower one up a bit.

Cheers! Thanks Ian for your reply!

 

[CMDR pollycough]

..snip..

Will the Civil War start straight away or will there be a Pending State before?

Thanks everyone!

Yes, it will be 3 days pending and nothing can stop it from happening once it has gone pending. Today[up]

 

[LuPoN]

Yes, it will be 3 days pending and nothing can stop it from happening once it has gone pending. Today[up]

I hope so! My younger brother (and our minor faction founder, as well as the person who gifted me ED last summer for my birthday and dragged me to this game on February) just logged in and sent me a cryptic message as follows:

Avalon at 25%, us (Knights of Beneverchio) at 26%, still in boom, nothing pending.

They didn't link yet, apparently -.-

They're making me sweat for it, as I don't want to push too much the Avalon Org. (yesterday I did a selective pick of missions to raise a bit the Avalon Org. and keep us leveled with some inf missions as well), I'll have to do some more boom delivery missions tonight in a proportional fashion.

 

[Starwolfe]

From the looks of it they just got out of an Election? That has a 2 day recovery period, you can't tie a conflict till that clears.

The influence crossed yesterday, but because of that recovery state it couldn't lock.

If I assume this is the second day recovering you cross today going into tomorrow you will get a new pending conflict.

 

[LuPoN]

From the looks of it they just got out of an Election? That has a 2 day recovery period, you can't tie a conflict till that clears.

The influence crossed yesterday, but because of that recovery state it couldn't lock.

If I assume this is the second day recovering you cross today going into tomorrow you will get a new pending conflict.

Ok great then, at first glance I believed that today was the day we could have locked that conflict, so we just need to keep things balanced up until tomorrow's tick when finally we would be able to see the Civil War pending state.

Concerning the neighboring system, do you think it's better if I try and put more ground between the Avalon Org and the guys I helped win the elections?

I wouldn't want a possible election there to block the triggering of our Civil War.

Thanks again in helping a newcomer understand the BGS better.

 

[Starwolfe]

Yeah.

From the looks of it today is the 2nd day recovering, so you want to tie tomorrow.

Work for CD-53 136 Partners to keep them higher than Avalon Organisation in CD-53 136, while working for Avalon Organisation in Avalon to tie with your PMF and it should work out fine tomorrow.

 

[LuPoN]

I'm here writing a big THANK YOU, to everyone who replied helping me better understand this process, all of this because something is breeding, we're expecting...

a Civil War!

If I understand correctly now I just have to wait and there's nothing they can stop it from happening, right?

If you happen to pass by Avalon, and you have an itch on your fingers, come join us on the fight with the Avalon Organisation!

Cheers!

CMDR LuPoN
Knights of Beneverchio, PC

 

[Ian Doncaster]

If I understand correctly now I just have to wait and there's nothing they can stop it from happening, right?

Yes - but rather than just waiting, push your faction with everything you can now, so that you can get as big a lead as possible before the war restrictions go in. Much easier to win a war when it starts with a 20% lead for you.

 

[LuPoN]

Yes - but rather than just waiting, push your faction with everything you can now, so that you can get as big a lead as possible before the war restrictions go in. Much easier to win a war when it starts with a 20% lead for you.

I was thinking or just doing some missions for us, now I will dive into it: thanks for the big tip!

 

[Starwolfe]

Yes, once pending it cannot stop.

You have 3 days now to do missions and work for your faction to get a head start during the Pending phase.

Then when its active only Combat Bonds and Bounties will help your faction - after 3 days active if you have a 3% lead you will win.

So might as well get a head start to make sure you win.

 

[LuPoN]

Yes, once pending it cannot stop.

You have 3 days now to do missions and work for your faction to get a head start during the Pending phase.

Then when its active only Combat Bonds and Bounties will help your faction - after 3 days active if you have a 3% lead you will win.

So might as well get a head start to make sure you win.

Thanks again for the awesome tips, we've already planned missions to get our influence higher.

One question out of the blue: by killing their ships we lose reputation with them, so if they turn hostile, where shall we deliver the Combat Bonds and bounties?

 

[Starwolfe]

Thanks again for the awesome tips, we've already planned missions to get our influence higher.

One question out of the blue: by killing their ships we lose reputation with them, so if they turn hostile, where shall we deliver the Combat Bonds and bounties?

Wars and Civil Wars are nice in that regard - killing enemy ships in the Conflict Zones will not effect your influence or reputation with them.
However you must pledge a side and hand in the Combat Bonds for it to have any effect in the system.

If you murder their ships outside the CZs, then yes you'll have some interesting times.

Reputation can be recovered without helping them by hunting for their bounties in the system and handing them off at an Interstellar Contact outside the system.