Lack of Transparency is killing this game

[Camargo]

Hello Frontier and friends.

Frontier, you did a pomp for the release of a patch, as if it was a great update, which took more than three months (almost four months).

I remember well that even Colin Trevorrow commented on the update: "It will be great".

When the update arrives the big news is .... Challenge mode ?? Who asked for this ??? It's basically just that and the resizing of the dinos. People want more terrain tools, bigger maps, AI from the dinos to the herds and hunting, more buildings ... I'm not saying that in three months it was to have all this, but this patch is a complete disappointment!

Guys, here you have a game with a lot of potential. It's beautiful, it has to work and be sensational, but the lack of transparency and the delay to deliver something that in the end is not even so great is to ask the players to give up the game instead. I love Jurassic Park, I think the game is beautiful and I like it, but it's still just a potential. It looks like an unfinished game, hurriedly launched.

Please Frontier, read this. I know it's not just me, but you should listen to the community for really meaningful changes that will give the game a long life. And fans, do not get mad at me, my opinion is to try to improve the game.

I'm disappointed in how Frontier trumpeted the 1.4 patch, but I intend to give it more chances, maybe because I'm just an idiotic fan myself.

Just as an example, watch this SHAWNASAUR video and READ the comments !!! See what people really want! Challenge Mode? mp.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cc-IS7b9IRs

Sorry for the bad english, have fun with the game and good work for Frontier!

Hugs

 

[micryda]

Many many people myself included wanted the challenge mode cause before this update everyone was crying about a jpog mode and they did just that i dont know what the hell u think but all those thinks u whine about are not realistic to do in just two month u should be more patient or just dont play the game the update is a step in the right direction and it definetly not a dissapiontment u should inform urself about game development before u make such a silly thread

 

[Chris Simon]

Oh, no. The "Devs don't care about us, the game is doomed" threads found us, here.

Quick, everybody. Hide.

 

[Camargo]

Oh guys, do not condemn too much what I said. Look at the comments in the video, what else is there are people with my thoughts.

And you should know that I said that I would not expect all this to be implemented in three months, but definitely the patch was well below expectations.

I do not think it's a silly topic. I keep reiterating everything I said.


I even think you're childish and you do not accept my opinion, as if it were a complete absurdity. Stop defending both Frontier and the game.

 

[Camargo]

Oh, no. The "Devs don't care about us, the game is doomed" threads found us, here.

Quick, everybody. Hide.

Dude, I never said they do not care. I said that there is no transparency, and that most important did not come in 1.4.

A "big" patch that in the end was disappointing. People are giving up on this game. Did you see the graphics in the video?

 

[Chris Simon]

Dude, I never said they do not care. I said that there is no transparency, and that most important did not come in 1.4.

A "big" patch that in the end was disappointing. People are giving up on this game. Did you see the graphics in the video?

And what would you consider a good transparency? Do you want them sit with us and discuss every feature they plan to add and wait for our approval?
They are developing the game the best they can. Their intentions are transparent, their finances are transparent. That is all the transparency I need from a company.

And the things you mentioned that "should have been in the patch", were NEVER promised. What you want is another content update and it will come.
This was just a patch...

...dude

 

[Lora Craft69]

What this comes down to is that you cannot please everyone all at once.
On top of this forum there is a pinned wishlist and from the things that are most asked for are the Dinosaur sizes, a challenge mode, more options for the sandbox, longer lifespan for dinosaurs and hunting when hungry only.
Yes, there are many other things people asked for but you cannot expect they all get addressed in only three months.

 

[Camargo]

And what would you consider a good transparency? Do you want them sit with us and discuss every feature they plan to add and wait for our approval?
They are developing the game the best they can. Their intentions are transparent, their finances are transparent. That is all the transparency I need from a company.

And the things you mentioned that "should have been in the patch", were NEVER promised. What you want is another content update and it will come.
This was just a patch...

...dude

Every company has a road map, but in this case, we know absolutely nothing of what is to come. You have to understand that I and many others are giving up on the game, out of disappointment, not knowing where Frontier is going with this game. With little transparency, many give up, drop the game and do not come back.

Compare with PUBG for example (they are very different games, but it is possible to compare in this sense), usually we know in which line the game goes, what news are coming. I've known for half a year that a snow map is coming. And there are no sumptuous presentations on the news.

And what else did I criticize? The lack of notion when making even a video with date and everything, super-expected to show few things. Only a note from BO could explain what it would have in the update, because it was not even a big deal.

You should at least respect what I am saying, for I assure you that I am not the only one. And I'm not saying this to make enemies, I want the game to be good.

They do not need to show us the script, but at least tell us which direction they are going. We know absolutely nothing!

 

[Camargo]

What this comes down to is that you cannot please everyone all at once.
On top of this forum there is a pinned wishlist and from the things that are most asked for are the Dinosaur sizes, a challenge mode, more options for the sandbox, longer lifespan for dinosaurs and hunting when hungry only.
Yes, there are many other things people asked for but you cannot expect they all get addressed in only three months.

Certainly. But I have the right to come here and say that the update was disappointing, especially in the way it was widely publicized, and in the end there was little significant change there.

 

[Chris Simon]

Every company has a road map, but in this case, we know absolutely nothing of what is to come. You have to understand that I and many others are giving up on the game, out of disappointment, not knowing where Frontier is going with this game. With little transparency, many give up, drop the game and do not come back.

Compare with PUBG for example (they are very different games, but it is possible to compare in this sense), usually we know in which line the game goes, what news are coming. I've known for half a year that a snow map is coming. And there are no sumptuous presentations on the news.

And what else did I criticize? The lack of notion when making even a video with date and everything, super-expected to show few things. Only a note from BO could explain what it would have in the update, because it was not even a big deal.

You should at least respect what I am saying, for I assure you that I am not the only one. And I'm not saying this to make enemies, I want the game to be good.

They do not need to show us the script, but at least tell us which direction they are going. We know absolutely nothing!

I respect what you're saying. You're not satisfied with how the development of this game progresses (though I'd like to point out that it's been out for only 4 months, not like PUBG, that's been out for years and that will remain in constant beta forever) and you want to leave.
That's fair.
I just don't like the way you JUSTIFY your "departure", but that, on the other hand, is my problem, not yours.

Simply go play something else and check back next year? That would be my recommendation. Don't try to crowbar your hopes and expectation into the game development.
You surely can express your hopes and expectations, here. ANd maybe they even inspire the devs as had happened many time, before. But you don't get to blackmail the devs and see your features being added to the game as your "right".

(And btw. I apologize if I come across as too harsh or salty. I don't have anything against you and I agree with your sentiment. But I am kind of allergic to this kind of threads and reasoning from Elite forums, so... I'll shut it, now)

 

[Camargo]

I respect what you're saying. You're not satisfied with how the development of this game progresses (though I'd like to point out that it's been out for only 4 months, not like PUBG, that's been out for years and that will remain in constant beta forever) and you want to leave.
That's fair.
I just don't like the way you JUSTIFY your "departure", but that, on the other hand, is my problem, not yours.

Simply go play something else and check back next year? That would be my recommendation. Don't try to crowbar your hopes and expectation into the game development.
You surely can express your hopes and expectations, here. ANd maybe they even inspire the devs as had happened many time, before. But you don't get to blackmail the devs and see your features being added to the game as your "right".

(And btw. I apologize if I come across as too harsh or salty. I don't have anything against you and I agree with your sentiment. But I am kind of allergic to this kind of threads and reasoning from Elite forums, so... I'll shut it, now)

I'm not leaving, man. I love Jurassic Park, I'm going to keep following it, because I'm such an imbecile fan. I see potential, but I'm not sure if the game will be tidy or not.

Other people I know have already given up. Just watch the video comments and others on reddit you see people disappointed.

We would be very grateful if there were more regular notes from devs. It would be a breakthrough, at least I would know if I could expect much of this game or not.

All I said is not to make enmities. I do not want to be your enemy, I want to show you how I'm seeing the situation.

Again, I'm not the only one.

 

[Chris Simon]

I'm not leaving, man. I love Jurassic Park, I'm going to keep following it, because I'm such an imbecile fan. I see potential, but I'm not sure if the game will be tidy or not.

Other people I know have already given up. Just watch the video comments and others on reddit you see people disappointed.

We would be very grateful if there were more regular notes from devs. It would be a breakthrough, at least I would know if I could expect much of this game or not.

All I said is not to make enmities. I do not want to be your enemy, I want to show you how I'm seeing the situation.

Again, I'm not the only one.

The devs were clear in one thing. JWE was released as a basic game that will see years of both paid and free updates. We've seen this with Elite and Coaster. That's how Frontier operates.
And the fact that they aren't blindly promising stuff months and years in advance, but rather focus on what they can deliver and then deliver it as it comes, I see as a big plus.

I can see there you're coming from and I can respect that, although I don't necessarily agree with that. That's how the world works.

 

[stolemyname]

It's not like we pay a monthly subscription to play this game. You can play or not play at your whim.

 

[MarcWP]

A "Challenge Mode" was one of the things most people wanted on this forum? So yes they listened to the two topics that were discussed the most. Challenge Mode and the Dinosaur sizes. They delivered on both of them... I agree the game needs way more to keep me interested, but they gave us the two most talked about improvements from the community. You obviously haven't paid any attention since you don't know who asked for Challenge Mode...

 

[Rob At Work]

HI OP,

You're new around these parts aren't you, I can tell.

Relax a little, get some air, the best things in life come to those who wait...and wait.... and wait......and wait.......and wait............n wait............ un weight............ ..........un........................................u..........

 

[BanzaiMike]

OP I get that you are disappointed with the update and that is your prerogative and opinion, if you think it is a disappointing update then you are perfectly entitled to that opinion however...

Your suggestion that transparency is killing the game is way wide of the mark and your suggestion that nobody wanted a challenge mode are well wide of the Mark.
As has already been pointed out the Devs asked what would folk like to be added to the game on here (Where it matters) and the two biggest requests was Dinosaur Sizes and a Challenge mode.
Frontier delivered on both fronts with numerous other changes added as well. They are working brilliantly and delivering what fans asked for on their official wish-list thread (not what apparently a few select naysayers want on a small Youtube channels video).

This is a Park Building game like planet coaster, a game where you may spend plenty of time but just as likely a game where you play for a bit, then put if on the shelf and returning later down the line (Rinse and Repeat), this is not a game designed to be a total time-sink like Elite is.

 

[Astaran]

The devs were clear in one thing. JWE was released as a basic game that will see years of both paid and free updates. We've seen this with Elite and Coaster. That's how Frontier operates.
And the fact that they aren't blindly promising stuff months and years in advance, but rather focus on what they can deliver and then deliver it as it comes, I see as a big plus.

I can see there you're coming from and I can respect that, although I don't necessarily agree with that. That's how the world works.

Well, Frontier feels a little bit "oldschool" in the PR department, don't they? I like that we have roadmap in Elite and that's actually all I am asking for in JWE. Something basic like "Okay, 1.4 is out now and we're now evaluating your feedback and fixing some of the new bugs. Additionally, we're taking a look at aspect X of the game and seek ways to improve it. A first paid DLC is currently being planned and we're contemplating if it's about Y or Z." In Elite we know that the Q4 update will be about Exploration and Mining and that Squadron carriers have been delayed. We also know how the coming changes to Exploration look like. In JWE however, we didn't know anything about the contents of 1.4 until late August. Granted, Elite is older by a couple of years and JWE is only three month old. I'm willing to give them some slack here

Don't get me wrong, I accept that his is just the way Frontier runs the PR for their games. Their company, their games, their calls. I can, however, not help myself and see how other game developers promote their games and continued content updates. An example for "best practice" is probably the development team for Stellaris. There's a new large update in the pipe that will (yet again) bring a major overhaul to the game. There are weekly Dev Diaries that explain the hows and whys and give some insight into the thought processes of the game designers. That's extremely cool and I love to read the diaries in detail (and the subsequent Q&A in the forum thread with the Devs).
Sometimes I wish Frontier would be a just a little bit more like that.

Yes, there will always be people that will complain about everything and anything. There will always be people that think a roadmap is set in stone and don't understand that things can (and will!) change during a development process. That's just the way of things and I hope Frontier will eventually ignore those people and give a nice "roadmap" or "vision for the future of JWE" to the rest of us


Edit: as for the contents of update 1.4: I am more then happy with them and I really appreciate that Frontier listens to our Feedback. I am part of the crowd that asked for a challenge mode and I got my wish fulfilled. I am sure they have a vision for this game and are working hard on it. Contrary to other developers, JWE is not a money grab or "Just another product". You just have to take a look at the beautiful Dinosaurs to see that there's a lot of love and passion in the creation of it all.

 

[JohnMiller1132]

This is a direct quote from CM Paul Crowther on Reddit:-

“We have an internal roadmap but we're not ready to share it with the community just yet. We want to be flexible right now so we can focus on your feedback and what's best for the game. That means things can shift around a fair bit.”

Source:- https://www.reddit.com/r/jurassicworldevo/comments/9f3bfa/roadmap/

Personally, the way I interpret this is – At current state of the game, besides not wanting to promise something they can’t keep, they don’t want to shut people off inevitably by saying no to their faces. They need space and time to maneuver and to shape the future of JWE. I believe even themselves are not certainly sure which direction they should really dive into. They want to cater as diverse the fan base as possible and move forward one step at a time.

The fan base for this game is really diverse. Right off the head, I can think of 4 clans – Customization, Dino AI and Animation, Management Gameplays (Frontier themselves), and others. I’m from the AI and Animation clan. Even so, I cannot say for sure which direction is best for the game at current state. A flexible road map indeed has its merits here. By first going through basic things – giving some things to every clan, we are one step closer in figuring out the future of JWE. Imagine this – if they say no to one of the clan right at release, I believe the entire clan is gone. But if they only reveal the roadmap after giving something valuable to each and every clan, everyone will be more satisfied with tangible things to grasp and hence has a clearer head to determine the future better than before.

Think of it this way – everyone is part of the equations now. If you feel strongly about a thing you want, just make it sounds as loud as possible. 1.4 really shows me they are willing to work with us. I hope the same applies to you.

 

[Camargo]

A "Challenge Mode" was one of the things most people wanted on this forum? So yes they listened to the two topics that were discussed the most. Challenge Mode and the Dinosaur sizes. They delivered on both of them... I agree the game needs way more to keep me interested, but they gave us the two most talked about improvements from the community. You obviously haven't paid any attention since you don't know who asked for Challenge Mode...

I come from Reddit. Here I am new.

It is not what I and many people in the comments of the video and Reddit we asked tirelessly. Far from it.

Incidentally, the Sandbox only work on Isla Nublar is another shame of the patch. And I do not remember seeing people asking so much for a Challenge Mode, in fact I did not even see it.

It seems to me that just by having done so, now everyone is able to defend the new feature introduced.

I think it's cool that I have the option of this game mode, but also not what this game needed most at the moment, and again, I'm complaining more the way Frontier reported his disappointing patch. The animation was theirs alone.

I guarantee that even you expected more.

 

[Camargo]

HI OP,

You're new around these parts aren't you, I can tell.

Relax a little, get some air, the best things in life come to those who wait...and wait.... and wait......and wait.......and wait............n wait............ un weight............ ..........un........................................u..........

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