Lei Cheung

[D.D.Hariman]

While you can craft modifications in order to increase your reputation level, you can also increase the level by making a profit with the engineer. Depending on the Engineer, you might be able to sell commodities, exploration data or bounty vouchers:

Engineer Reputation Level	Required Profit
Grade 1	Unlocked as soon as Engineer task has been completed
Grade 2	Selling Exploration data/Commodities with a net profit of 500,000 Credits
Grade 3	Selling Exploration data/Commodities with a net profit of 2,000,000 Credits
Grade 4	Selling Exploration data/Commodities with a net profit of 8,000,000 Credits
Grade 5	Selling Exploration data/Commodities with a net profit of 16,000,000 Credits

HOW TO DISCOVER

From The Dweller (grade 3-4).

MEETING REQUIREMENTS

You have traded in over 50 markets.

UNLOCK REQUIREMENTS

Provide 200 units of Gold.

REPUTATION GAIN

Craft modules.
Sell commodities to Trader's Rest.

I have sold over 16,000,000 CR of LTD's to Traders Rest and gotten no Reputation Increase.

What am I missing??

To Recap so someone doesn't have to wade through everything if they find this post on a search.

It looks like Selling Commodities either doesn't raise REP or the required amounts have been raised.
I got to him with a DSS G3 and didn't have the REP to take it to G5.
Ended up taking a 6A Sensor to G3 WIDE (7.04 km range 66deg I could have gone farther but I didn't want the range reduced below 7KM) but that still didn't get me the REP to do the DSS.
Used the Sensor to sit outside a military installation and scan ships to get the Shield Scan data to do a 3A SG LOW ENHANCED to G3 which got the REP to do the DSS to G5. Scan. Log off. Log on. Scan. Repeat.
Did some more scanning and hit some Mat Traders to get the stuff to finish the SG to G5 LOW ENHANCED MULTI WEAVE.
Plan to use all of these for exploration and mining.

 

[Morbad]

Tried relogging?

 

[D.D.Hariman]

Tried relogging?

Yes..
Really looking like the only way to get Rep is to craft modules.

 

[Morbad]

Exploration data worked the last time I checked, but that was a while back.

I would not be surprised if the credit requirements were increased dramatically for commodities, or if it was disabled entirely to prevent a few minute of mining from maxing out Engineer reputation.

 

[metatheurgist]

it is absolutely not worth using the alternate methods to rank, unless you are a couple of % off a particular grade, and you don't have any mats you are prepared to waste to get those last few %.

 

[D.D.Hariman]

Exploration data worked the last time I checked, but that was a while back.

I would not be surprised if the credit requirements were increased dramatically for commodities, or if it was disabled entirely to prevent a few minute of mining from maxing out Engineer reputation.

The only Valuable Mineral that Traders Rest buys is LTDs and that only at a very depressed price. A bit over 100,000 CR/T so it isn't a "few minutes" to max him out.
The next piece is that Traders Rest has no UC rep so Exploration Data isn't going to work.

I have not inventoried the MATS yet, but I think I have the stuff to do a 3D SG Low Enhanced with Multi-Weave or maybe Stripped Down to use for Exploration or Mining.

 

[d8veh]

I thought they changed that in version 2.2 or 2.3, when they got rid of the roulette wheel. I have everything unlocked and have done 2510 upgrades, but each time I go to an engineer with a new module, I have to start at level 1 and work through all the levels to grade 5.

 

[D.D.Hariman]

Ok, I have inventoried and I think I have the stuff to get the Low Enhanced SG to G3. If I am going to do an SG, I will eventually want it at G5 but that can wait.
Also a Set of Senors to maybe G4 Wide Angle.
Both of these could be useful for mining or exploration.

Question is, will doing SG or Sensors below G3 get me additional REP?

 

[Ian Doncaster]

I thought they changed that in version 2.2 or 2.3, when they got rid of the roulette wheel. I have everything unlocked and have done 2510 upgrades, but each time I go to an engineer with a new module, I have to start at level 1 and work through all the levels to grade 5.

You can still get rep with the other things, it's just less useful when
- getting one module to mid-G4 will get you full rep
- you can carry all the materials to do that without penalty

Question is, will doing SG or Sensors below G3 get me additional REP?

The higher grade the roll, the more rep you get for it. Generally a roll is good for its own rep level and okay for the one above that (so a G2 Sensors roll will get you up to rep 3 no problem and a bit of progress into rep 4, but using them to get from rep 4 to rep 5 will take ages)

 

[d8veh]

You can still get rep with the other things, it's just less useful when

• getting one module to mid-G4 will get you full rep
• you can carry all the materials to do that without penalty

The higher grade the roll, the more rep you get for it. Generally a roll is good for its own rep level and okay for the one above that (so a G2 Sensors roll will get you up to rep 3 no problem and a bit of progress into rep 4, but using them to get from rep 4 to rep 5 will take ages)

I've only been playing 5 years. What do you mean by rep? What can you do with that rep?

I gave Felicity 300 mil worth of astronomical data, but every time I go to see her with a new module, I have to start at level 1 and work up through the grades. It was different in version 2.0 when, IIRC, you could deliver enough data to jump to level 3 before you started and once you'd reached any level, you could get upgrades at that level without having to do all of the lower ones.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

I've only been playing 5 years. What do you mean by rep? What can you do with that rep? I gave Felicity 300 mil worth of astronomical data, but every time I go to see her with a new module, I have to start at level 1.

Yes, but you can make level 5 modules eventually.

It only really matters - since 3.0 - for using the remote workshop (where you don't increase rep for making modules) because normally making one module from scratch to G4 will max out your rep to be able to make G5 modules afterwards ... and for getting invites to new engineers.

(Back in the old system where you could spend two levels of rep to pick an experimental, getting it back quickly was more important)

 

[metatheurgist]

I gave Felicity 300 mil worth of astronomical data, but every time I go to see her with a new module, I have to start at level 1 and work up through the grades. It was different in version 2.0 when, IIRC, you could deliver enough data to jump to level 3 before you started and once you'd reached any level, you could get upgrades at that level without having to do all of the lower ones.

That hasn't been the case ever since we lost the roulette wheel engineering. The trade-off for always getting the best result was that we had to go through the entire progression.

 

[D.D.Hariman]

You can still get rep with the other things, it's just less useful when

• getting one module to mid-G4 will get you full rep
• you can carry all the materials to do that without penalty

The higher grade the roll, the more rep you get for it. Generally a roll is good for its own rep level and okay for the one above that (so a G2 Sensors roll will get you up to rep 3 no problem and a bit of progress into rep 4, but using them to get from rep 4 to rep 5 will take ages)

Well, If I can just get someplace into Rep 4 I should be good because then I can start rolling the G4 rolls for the DSS.

 

[DMaster]

While you can craft modifications in order to increase your reputation level, you can also increase the level by making a profit with the engineer. Depending on the Engineer, you might be able to sell commodities, exploration data or bounty vouchers:

Engineer Reputation Level	Required Profit
Grade 1	Unlocked as soon as Engineer task has been completed
Grade 2	Selling Exploration data/Commodities with a net profit of 500,000 Credits
Grade 3	Selling Exploration data/Commodities with a net profit of 2,000,000 Credits
Grade 4	Selling Exploration data/Commodities with a net profit of 8,000,000 Credits
Grade 5	Selling Exploration data/Commodities with a net profit of 16,000,000 Credits

I have sold over 16,000,000 CR of LTD's to Traders Rest and gotten no Reputation Increase.

What am I missing??

Are you absolutely sure, that you are ranking by selling goods??? This is the first time, that i hear about it. If you are sure, do you have a source for that?

 

[D.D.Hariman]

Are you absolutely sure, that you are ranking by selling goods??? This is the first time, that i hear about it. If you are sure, do you have a source for that?

That is the problem. Even though this says I should >>>>> https://elite-dangerous.fandom.com/wiki/Engineers
I don't seem to be getting any REP.

 

[Taifu]

I gained the initial levels of rep with a few of the engineers bodgers using the alternative methods listed on INNRA, and I didn't engage with the engineering bodging mini game until after the rework.

My rational was that I would make better use of the limited amount of low grade materials I had at the time. It wasn't to difficult to grab a couple of million credits worth of exploration data to dump with a bodger, or do two or three cargo runs with a Python for commodities that the bodgers market wanted.

By rep rank 2 though, its much more efficient to bodge your modules.

Maybe LTD's, as a newer commodity, don't do the rep gain thing.

 

[DMaster]

That is the problem. Even though this says I should >>>>> https://elite-dangerous.fandom.com/wiki/Engineers
I don't seem to be getting any REP.

interesting, i asked in the discord of my squadron, if somebody has some experince with that.

 

[D.D.Hariman]

I gained the initial levels of rep with a few of the engineers bodgers using the alternative methods listed on INNRA, and I didn't engage with the engineering bodging mini game until after the rework.

My rational was that I would make better use of the limited amount of low grade materials I had at the time. It wasn't to difficult to grab a couple of million credits worth of exploration data to dump with a bodger, or do two or three cargo runs with a Python for commodities that the bodgers market wanted.

By rep rank 2 though, its much more efficient to bodge your modules.

Maybe LTD's, as a newer commodity, don't do the rep gain thing.

This whole problem stems from me already having Felicity do my DSS to G3. So. I have to get REP 3+ before Lei will do anything.

BUT d8veh has me worried now that even if I have Lei work on Sensors or Shields and get the REP, will that carry over to my DSS?

 

[Taifu]

This whole problem stems from me already having Felicity do my DSS to G3. So. I have to get REP 3+ before Lei will do anything.

BUT d8veh has me worried now that even if I have Lei work on Sensors or Shields and get the REP, will that carry over to my DSS?

In short, Yes.

Slightly longer answer is that the bodger rep is basically a level lock, in that it prevents you from rolling higher level modifications until you reach the required rep level. Once you reach the required level your good to go. It doesn't matter where or who applied the current modification.

If you have excess materials lying around, one option could be to remove the modification on your DSS and do it all again with Lei. Or buy another DSS and apply a modification that you have the materials available for. Which is exactly the same as getting Lei to mod your sensors or shields.... or both.

 

[D.D.Hariman]

In short, Yes.

Slightly longer answer is that the bodger rep is basically a level lock, in that it prevents you from rolling higher level modifications until you reach the required rep level. Once you reach the required level your good to go. It doesn't matter where or who applied the current modification.

If you have excess materials lying around, one option could be to remove the modification on your DSS and do it all again with Lei. Or buy another DSS and apply a modification that you have the materials available for. Which is exactly the same as getting Lei to mod your sensors or shields.... or both.

Well, as I noted earlier, I have the stuff to get a Shield Generator to at least G3+ Enhanced Low Power which IF apparently I am lucky, should then let me get the DSS to G5.
Then when I get really serious about some deep exploration or visiting some of the known interesting places, I can complete the SG to G5 Stripped Down although on my DBX or my Python the jump difference between Stripped Down and Multi Weave is tiny and the extra Explosive and Kinetic resistance would be useful on the Python when banging around doing mining.