Lingering fines - C&P oversight?

Bionic Bytes · Aug 17, 2018

Guys,
I took on a 50 ton palladium mission last night (yea I know - I took a chance that there actually was some left in the universe). On my travels I came across a station offering a delivery mission - 2600 tons of ... Palladium! My initial naughty thought was to rob Peter to pay Paul - ie use the new delivery mission's cargo to get my 50 million cr order fulfilled. In the back of my mind I knew FDev had already blocked this some time ago - and you can tell because the cargo as marked as "haullage".
Anyway, that's what I attempted and it can't be done. So I abandoned the 2600 ton delivery mission (thus keeping the palladium in my cargo hold) - upon which I received an 8 million cr fine.
So now, I have 8,000,000 cr fine and 2600 tons of useless palladium; my next stop was to a black market where I then sold the 2600 tons for 6 million credits.

I don't have a bounty, and the 8 Mil fine still exists. Under the old system I'm sure this would have turned into a bounty at some future some point down the line forcing me to deal with the issue; but for now I guess its just going to sit there forever until I go to IF and pay off the fine.

It's eating at my conscious!

I was also thinking you could make a 'profitable career' out of this and just rob factions of cargo with no real consequence as fines don't become anything more serious - especially when the robbed faction doesn't control the station.

eraktor · Aug 17, 2018

You can effectively ignore it until you see a rebuy screen, but I believe you are forced to pay it off at that point. If you perform a major crime in the same jurisdiction, it will all become converted to a bounty

Bigmaec · Aug 17, 2018

I'm more interested in how you got the Panther Clipper before everyone else.
How else do you fit 2.600 tons of cargo?

Bionic Bytes · Aug 17, 2018

Bigmaec said:
I'm more interested in how you got the Panther Clipper before everyone else.
How else do you fit 2.600 tons of cargo?

I have early access to Beyond chapter 3. :x
...or ... only load the 600+ tons the cutter can take on board.

eraktor said:
If you perform a major crime in the same jurisdiction, it will all become converted to a bounty

...such as rob another mission of its cargo from the same faction?

I feel I might be forced into trying this just for the LOL

Winterwalker · Aug 17, 2018

Getting the nub of the OP ..

I think you're right. There surely ought to be some threshold where you build up such a fine that the faction thinks enough's enough and sends out the bailiffs. I also think maybe a fine that goes unpaid for a long period should bring that threshold down, so eventually even a small fine turns into a bounty. That threshold might be in the 10's of thousands and the time - to where a small 200 cr becomes a petty beaurocrat's bounty - a few months. This would throw the long forgotten curve ball at you, working like a negative local reputation with consequence.

eraktor · Aug 17, 2018

Bionic Bytes said:
...such as rob another mission of its cargo from the same faction?

I feel I might be forced into trying this just for the LOL

Theft is a minor offence, same as your first. Assault should do it, not that I encourage you to do it. Big bounties become interstellar and you may find yourself locked out of several stations and even engineers based on their affiliation.

Trollymctrollerson · Aug 17, 2018

Everything about this scenario is confusing to me. How did you steal 2600 tons? Didn't the mission fail after you sold the first load? And if it didn't, how did you only get 6 million credits for that much palladium? Was it a source and return 2600 tons for 50 million? Did you steal 50 tons or 2600 tons?

FrogsFriend · Aug 17, 2018

Bionic Bytes said:
...such as rob another mission of its cargo from the same faction?

I feel I might be forced into trying this just for the LOL

Go for it! Enquiring minds want to know how this turns out [yesnod]

Bionic Bytes · Aug 21, 2018

Trollymctrollerson said:
Everything about this scenario is confusing to me. How did you steal 2600 tons? Didn't the mission fail after you sold the first load? And if it didn't, how did you only get 6 million credits for that much palladium? Was it a source and return 2600 tons for 50 million? Did you steal 50 tons or 2600 tons?

Yes. A source and return mission, Which I failed on purpose to steal the cargo so I could use it to satisfy a 50m cr supply mission.
I took 688 tons of it and went to black Market to sell

Brrokk · Aug 21, 2018

Bionic Bytes said:
Guys,
I took on a 50 ton palladium mission last night (yea I know - I took a chance that there actually was some left in the universe). On my travels I came across a station offering a delivery mission - 2600 tons of ... Palladium! My initial naughty thought was to rob Peter to pay Paul - ie use the new delivery mission's cargo to get my 50 million cr order fulfilled. In the back of my mind I knew FDev had already blocked this some time ago - and you can tell because the cargo as marked as "haullage".
Anyway, that's what I attempted and it can't be done. So I abandoned the 2600 ton delivery mission (thus keeping the palladium in my cargo hold) - upon which I received an 8 million cr fine.
So now, I have 8,000,000 cr fine and 2600 tons of useless palladium; my next stop was to a black market where I then sold the 2600 tons for 6 million credits.

I don't have a bounty, and the 8 Mil fine still exists. Under the old system I'm sure this would have turned into a bounty at some future some point down the line forcing me to deal with the issue; but for now I guess its just going to sit there forever until I go to IF and pay off the fine.

It's eating at my conscious!

I was also thinking you could make a 'profitable career' out of this and just rob factions of cargo with no real consequence as fines don't become anything more serious - especially when the robbed faction doesn't control the station.

Inventive!

Quantis Trap · Aug 22, 2018

OP, how did you steal from a SOURCE and return mission which gives you nothing? Am I missing something here?

Bionic Bytes · Aug 22, 2018

I didn't. the Source and delivery was paying 50m cr for a whole load of Palladium which I couldn't locate. By chance, I stumbled upon a delivery mission wanting me to transport 2600 tonns of palladium so I accepted that mission (and failed it) to steal the cargo to supply the source and delivery mission.