Loading Vanilla ED with a Horizons career?

[Squelch]

Hello all,

I have what might seem a strange question, and fear that if I try an experiment, it will ruin my current commander's career. A forum search has not revealed that this might have been asked before.

The rationale behind this is that the current CG at DREVLYADA is combat orientated and I'd like to participate in Open. However, my current ships are poorly engineered despite vain efforts to gather the materials required to bring them up to a standard that I'd be comfortable with entering into combat with other highly engineered commanders. I might be wrong, but my understanding is that matchmaking/instancing considers whether the expansion is in use, and therefore could provide a level playing field with regards to ship specifications, and comes down to pilot skill and pure outfitting alone.

Will loading vanilla ED break any Horizons only content irreversibly?

ie, I'd expect that any Horizons only modifications and modules to be removed, but would they be replaced again when Horizons is subsequently launched?

Serious question, so please refrain from mischief making by telling me to just try it

 

[rekurzion]

the saves are the same. in fact you can fly engineered ships in the base game and have access to your engineered inventory, all your credits, your rep, etc. you just don't have access to engineers and planetary landings or other horizons only content.

flying in open in the base game doesn't guarantee you will not face an engineered opponent.

i actually don't understand this. i've always felt horizons players should get a new save for the base game or at least not be able to access any engineered modified modules or ships. the first time i happened upon this i felt bad shooting at anyone

 

[Squelch]

the saves are the same. in fact you can fly engineered ships in the base game and have access to your engineered inventory, all your credits, your rep, etc. you just don't have access to engineers and planetary landings or other horizons only content.

Thanks for that, but didn't expect engineering to stay.
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flying in open in the base game doesn't guarantee you will not face an engineered opponent.

i actually don't understand this. i've always felt horizons players should get a new save for the base game or at least not be able to access any engineered modified modules or ships. the first time i happened upon this i felt bad shooting at anyone

Hmm, that is a surprise, and by the sounds of it, would not do what I set out to achieve. The upshot of this sounds like non Horizons players are at a distinct disadvantage when meeting an engineered Horizons player in open. I feel bad for trying to avoid the engineering arms race against those that were able to gather materials more easily before after receiving that news.

 

[MickyG1982]

It's a very useful tool to get yourself "unstuck" when you do something silly on a planet or fall victim to a sticky planetary bug.

 

[rekurzion]

It's a very useful tool to get yourself "unstuck" when you do something silly on a planet or fall victim to a sticky planetary bug.

does it just put you in orbit?

 

[MickyG1982]

Yup, though if you have managed to lose your ship it will return you to the rebuy screen now.

It used to put you back in your ship if it was destroyed on a planet but that caused a knock on bug where this ship was marked dead in Horizons, but live in the base game. If that happened then you had to switch modes every time you use your SRV.

 

[Squelch]

It's a very useful tool to get yourself "unstuck" when you do something silly on a planet or fall victim to a sticky planetary bug.

More great info, thanks for the tip.

Thankfully I've manage to finagle myself out of most planetary traps. Deep ravines and SRV's are a nightmare. Not helped by joystick pitch having been inverted for some bizarre reason, but that's another story...

 

[Flossy]

More great info, thanks for the tip.

Not helped by joystick pitch having been inverted for some bizarre reason, but that's another story...

That's easily rectified in the control settings.

 

[Squelch]

That's easily rectified in the control settings.

That is very true, but because driving pitch is a separate configuration, a wrong setting can be overlooked easily. After all, why should it be any different to flight pitch on the same controller? A "standard" Logitech Pro 3D joystick must have pitch inverted contrary to any established conventions for flight control (pull back to pitch nose up)

Pitch is not something I'd generally need while driving except when boosting excessively. It took a little while to realise that pitch was the inverse of what I'd expected, and had been using in normal flight, but only while I was disorientated in a deep ravine and stuck against the walls. It made for an interesting half hour anyway

Back to the topic; I am rather disappointed to learn that a level playing field does not exist with regards to engineered outfitting. While not a gripe per se, the recent improvements to prevent material farming leave those without, a lot more time and effort to gain the necessary materials for modifications to possibly compete, and for those without Horizons, no chance at all.

I think I'll skip what's left of the current combat CG in my paper plane armed with Grandma's knitting needle in that case.

It is what it is I guess.