Looking for an entry level fighter - Viper III or IV?

I have a Cobra III built for exploration, so before Horizons appears on console - prompting me to head way out from the bubble with an SRV - I'd like to spend some time getting into combat. Given it won't be my 'main' ship, I don't want to spend too much on a fighter.

At the moment it's a choice between the Viper III and IV. I only have 3.5mil at the moment, but I'm at least willing to spend that much on the fighter, so long as there's enough left for the buy-back.

For me, the biggest draw to the IV is actually the amount of internals, given both have the same amount of hardpoints and utilities.

So do more internals and a tougher hull (and apparent ability to fit higher class shields) ultimately make the IV a no-brainer pick over the III? Given I've not flown either or looked into detailed builds, I've no idea what quirks the IV might have which makes it arguably 'worse' then the III.

Any pointers would be welcome.
 
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The IV is slower, but bulkier. I might recommend getting the III for starters. It may be lighter, but it's also a good bit cheaper, and more manouverable. Since it has the same weapon hardpoints as the IV, it'll be just as effective combat wise. However, if you're looking for jump range, the III only has like 15 for the tops FSD, while the IV has a bit more. Think around 20. If money's not an option, I would defo go with the IV. It may be slower, but it can go farther, and can take more punishement. If you're a good pilot though, it doesn't matter, in a III, you can stay behind just about any A.I. ship, and not have to worry about taking damage at all.
 
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Having flowing the Viper Mk lll for quite a while and flying the Mk IV for a bit, I would honestly buy them both and see which one you like better, you will lose some money depending which one you sell, but it will give you an idea on how they preform. I think that they are very similar, however I do prefer the Mk III over the Mk IV because of the manuverability and the speed, I think it can pull an easy 440 with A rated thrusters, if my memory serves me correctly. You're basiclally choosing between more shields, hull and more modules(Mk IV) and speed, maneuverability(Mk III)
 
Viper MK4 flies like a heavy tank and pitches quite slow, but it IS a tank, it jumps very far even when maxed for combat and powers better weaponry - dual plasmas ahoy! Takes much more beating.
 
I like the Mk III. You've got the Cobra, so buying the Viper Mk IV would be picking up a slightly more combat oriented version of the ship you've already got. Why have two multi-role ships that serve similar roles would be my question.
The Viper Mk III has a job, and that job is combat. The Cobra can smuggle and run Rare's. Next you buy a Type-6 and you've got one of everything. Then you can upgrade to more expensive ships.

NOTE: I've flown the above ships, but I have not flown a Viper Mk IV. A passing glance shows it to fill the same role as the Cobra Mk III, albeit slower and more combat inclined. But you already have a Cobra...
 
If money's not an option, I would defo go with the IV. It may be slower, but it can go farther, and can take more punishement. If you're a good pilot though, it doesn't matter, in a III, you can stay behind just about any A.I. ship, and not have to worry about taking damage at all.
I clearly wouldn't be a good combat pilot right now, per se, though in the Cobra I can hold my own against Pythons and the very occasional Anaconda (and until yesterday I completely forgot about subsystem targeting... so I've never taken out a Python or 'Conda via their powerplants). I'll be using gimballed weapons, so with some thoughtful positioning/initial attacks, hopefully the Viper IV's relative sluggishness won't harm my chances of keeping fire on a target.

And yeah, that edge on the jump range would be welcome, as I like the idea of taking a few courier type missions here and there as well. Right now the IV does seem more appealing.

Having flowing the Viper Mk lll for quite a while and flying the Mk IV for a bit, I would honestly buy them both and see which one you like better, you will lose some money depending which one you sell, but it will give you an idea on how they preform.
I hadn't considered that, and I suppose it does make sense. But is it particularly useful to compare the baseline performances of ships? I've only owned three so far (or two, ignoring the starter Sidewinder), but none have been notable right out of the shipyard. Then again I suppose the baseline cost of the III amounts to a very brief stint at a lowly RES.

I think that they are very similar, however I do prefer the Mk III over the Mk IV because of the manuverability and the speed, I think it can pull an easy 440 with A rated thrusters, if my memory serves me correctly.
Have you upgraded both roughly equally? If so, what weapons do you run on both, and how does power management compare? The wiki suggests neither are particularly heat or power efficient.

I assume not, on such short range fighters, but do you bother with a fuel scoop at all, to make longer journeys less demanding? I suppose it'd be one luxury too far on a mrk.III.
Viper MK4 flies like a heavy tank and pitches quite slow, but it IS a tank, it jumps very far even when maxed for combat and powers better weaponry - dual plasmas ahoy! Takes much more beating.
Yeah, I'm definitely leaning towards it right now.

I like the Mk III. You've got the Cobra, so buying the Viper Mk IV would be picking up a slightly more combat oriented version of the ship you've already got. Why have two multi-role ships that serve similar roles would be my question.
The Viper Mk III has a job, and that job is combat. The Cobra can smuggle and run Rare's. Next you buy a Type-6 and you've got one of everything. Then you can upgrade to more expensive ships.

NOTE: I've flown the above ships, but I have not flown a Viper Mk IV. A passing glance shows it to fill the same role as the Cobra Mk III, albeit slower and more combat inclined. But you already have a Cobra...
Would you really consider the Viper IV a multi-role?

I use the Cobra as an explorer, so right now it's not a multi-role at all, and the Viper IV would be a considerably tougher combat ship - even as a baseline.
I was ready to just buy the IV, but now I'm not sure... I'll see if there are any good vids showing it in action.
 
My friend went from MK3 to MK4 after we made good money RES hunting. He didn't seem to regret the decision. You'd save money if you went straight for the MK4.

From an outside perspective, there didn't seem to be much of a difference. I don't know their respective stats (and I probably should've looked them up before coming to this thread with my opinion...), but the MK4 seems like it's more or less an upgrade, unlike with the Cobra; the MK3 and MK4 for the Cobra's are vastly different and everyone still prefers the MK2.
 
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In regards to upgrading them equally I have A rated them both, however it's been a while flying either of them, so I think Imma pull them out of their hangers to see how they do, time to give the old FDL a break lol
 
Hmm...how about this, then...

If keeping the Cobra, I'd get the Mk III. If selling the Cobra, I'd get the Mk IV.
 
My friend went from MK3 to MK4 after we made good money RES hunting. He didn't seem to regret the decision. You'd save money if you went straight for the MK4.

From an outside perspective, there didn't seem to be much of a difference. I don't know their respective stats (and I probably should've looked them up before coming to this thread with my opinion...), but the MK4 seems like it's more or less an upgrade, unlike with the Cobra; the MK2 and MK3 for the Cobra's are vastly different and everyone still prefers the MK2.

Do you mean Cobra Mk III and Cobra Mk IV When talking about the Cobra Mk II and Mk III?
 
Do you mean Cobra Mk III and Cobra Mk IV When talking about the Cobra Mk II and Mk III?

No I'm talking about between Frontier: Elite and Elite: Dangerous.

Yes, sorry. I'm so tired and in an effort to not accidentally mix up Cobras and Vipers in my post, I mixed up numbers. Hopefully you get my point though. I'll edit my post just in case.
 
No I'm talking about between Frontier: Elite and Elite: Dangerous.

Yes, sorry. I'm so tired and in an effort to not accidentally mix up Cobras and Vipers in my post, I mixed up numbers. Hopefully you get my point though. I'll edit my post just in case.

Ah, it's all good friend, I was just wondering if I completely missed out on a ship in the entire two weeks I have put into this game :D
 
My friend went from MK3 to MK4 after we made good money RES hunting. He didn't seem to regret the decision. You'd save money if you went straight for the MK4.

From an outside perspective, there didn't seem to be much of a difference. I don't know their respective stats (and I probably should've looked them up before coming to this thread with my opinion...), but the MK4 seems like it's more or less an upgrade, unlike with the Cobra; the MK3 and MK4 for the Cobra's are vastly different and everyone still prefers the MK2.
Honestly, after watching several reviews of them (including a direct head to head), 'not much difference' probably sums it up. See also: the Mrk.IV kinda sucks as an additional ship to the collection. Is there really much gained by adding a slightly tweaked version of an existing ship? The IV surely isn't distinctive enough in any regard - other than being an okay multi-role compared to the III... It seems to only really be attractive if someone hasn't already bought into the 350-450 price bracket yet, and I clearly had.

I've also noticed - unless I've missed something? - there really isn't any other fighter in a comparable price range. The Asp Scout, arguably, is the next ship up which could perform as a decent above-beginners fighter, and that's 4mil.

Hmm...how about this, then...

If keeping the Cobra, I'd get the Mk III. If selling the Cobra, I'd get the Mk IV.
I like the Cobra far too much to trade it in - I'll probably just hang on to it for sentimental value even when I upgrade to an Asp Explorer.

As I said above, though; both Viper's seem rather too similar, and ultimately rather meh - perhaps especially after flying the Cobra III so much. A thread on reddit actually asked exactly the same question as I, and they'd also been flying the Cobra. Responses were subjectively varied, but overall I came away with the impression that the IV is a considerably better combat craft fully upgraded.

Whether I'm prepared to put credits into doing that, however, I'm not sure, especially when much better fighters like the Vulture inevitably await.

Anyhow, despite being no closer to deciding which to get, thanks for the responses. ;-)
 
As a cheap starter b/h shop go with the mk3 viper. It's nimble, has decent shields and it can run away fast if needed. While the jump range sucks if your just farming a nav beacon or res why do you need a huge jump range? The mk4 can be tanked up or multi roled if so inclined but you have the crowned prince of multi role the mk3 cobra in your price bracket range until u can afford the aspx which is the queen of multi role albeit a bit slower. U won't regret honeing ur combat skills with the viper
 
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