Looks like HGE collecting is broken again....

Since 3.3 burned the rulebook for collecting G5 Manufactured mats, there have nevertheless been a fair number of the old rules you could still rely on. In particular, if you flew round a number of high population Independent/Alliance systems in Boom, you would be guaranteed a respectable number of HGEs containing Proto Heat Radiators, Proto Light Alloys and Proto Radiolic Alloys.

Well, today that guarantee ran out for me. I've done this trip numerous times, and for the first time returned home more or less empty-handed (usually I have to stop in the middle and go to a material trader to unload excess PHRs).

I got a total of two HGEs, both with only three drops, and one of those was PIs from a faction in Outbreak - under different circumstances I might have been pleased to see those, but not when I'm not getting what I need.

Once I realised there was a problem I started checking the states of individual factions in the systems. Usually, the controlling faction was in state Boom - this is what eddb records - and the rest were in state None. Hence, I presume, the lack of HGEs. One system was in Blight, which was fair enough, eddb isn't always completely up to date, but eddb can't be blamed for the way in which the states of the controlling factor are not widely shared.

I'm guessing this is a result of the latest messing with the BGS by the introduction of Blight - which for a brief moment I imagined might actually improve the availability of G5 mats. But apparently not.

Whether this situation is the result of malice or incompetence I don't know. Maybe the devs just don't want us to have too easy access to G5 mats, though these days I have to admit that incompetence is the default assumption.

Either way, my game has been disrupted (again!) for the sake of the BGS. While I want BGS players to have an interesting game, for every BGS player I'll bet there are five or more who just want to be able to collect mats reliably and get on with their game. Once again, our play has been spoiled by BGS fiddling which, give or take the odd unexpected PI, does the majority of players far more harm than good.
 
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I found HGEs to be reliable when are linked to independent or imperial factions.
The only exceptions are:
the mix of Proto Heat Radiators and Proto Radiolic Alloys that both come from Boom/Investments states and
Military Grade Alloys and Military SuperCapacitors that both come from War / Civil War states

Again, when the faction is Fed Aligne i noticed that most of the time this overwrites the state with Core Dynamics Composites.
 
If you're collecting mats which are available from factions in state None, you'll be okay, since most of the factions I looked at (in boom systems) were in that state. If you're looking for mats that require the faction to be in Boom, maybe not so good.
 
Cknarf, that's simply not true. From before 3.3 until now, I've been able to reliably collect PHRs and PLAs/PRAs by following the rule in my first post. This is the first time it's failed me and it's a reasonable assumption that it's a consequence of the most recent mucking around with the BGS.
 
I found HGEs to be reliable when are linked to independent or imperial factions.
The only exceptions are:
the mix of Proto Heat Radiators and Proto Radiolic Alloys that both come from Boom/Investments states and
Military Grade Alloys and Military SuperCapacitors that both come from War / Civil War states


Again, when the faction is Fed Aligne i noticed that most of the time this overwrites the state with Core Dynamics Composites.

^^^^THIS big time!

The spawnrates of Proto Radiolic Alloys and Military Super Capacitors are extremely low - and you’ll find heaps of Proto Heat Radiotors and Military Grade Alloys when you go looking for them. It’s very frustrating, and it needs adjusting!
 
I dropped onto a completely barren high metal content world yesterday. No minerals at all, on the entire planet.
Drop into ten consecutive high metal current worlds and get a total of two minable rocks from the lot of them and I'll concede you have a point.
 
I've decided to go Gadabout Gaddis, so I've put a scoop and FSD booster module on my Corvette and started to fly to random systems.

I'll scan the beacon on system entry and then look for HGEs, found several yesterday, four I think, without really looking hard. I'll also stay in the beacon and take down any wanteds I run into.

I've found if I actively look for HGEs, I don't find them, but a random run-around seems as effective as anything else in running into the darn things.

Good luck.
 
^^^^THIS big time!

The spawnrates of Proto Radiolic Alloys and Military Super Capacitors are extremely low - and you’ll find heaps of Proto Heat Radiotors and Military Grade Alloys when you go looking for them. It’s very frustrating, and it needs adjusting!
Actually, it's not the spawn rates of the HGEs that limits the amount of PRAs you get - though I have had runs where I've mostly had PHRs - as the fact that their spawns are shared with those PHRs and their HGEs with PLAs. I reckon on a ratio of PHR/PRA of about 100/30.

When there are HGEs at all, which there usually are but not today.
 
One thing to consider, FD WANTS you to use the Material Trader. So you find stuff you don't need but can trade (albeit at a crappy exchange rate, but that's another thread).

It's part of the game they WANT you to enjoy(?).
 
Been doing some random HGE collection as I engineer a ship and the number of HGE's spawning appears to have increased noticeably, previously 2-3 in a suitable system but this morning on my way to Deciat I located 5 (dropped into 3 and maxed out proto heat rads, as the others were 50 kls+ and probably the same drop I moved on)

Update; Fairly sure the system with 5 HGE's was Anukam but I also got several in Miritu, Zhang Fei and Deciat

The rules on Inara still apply but on individual faction basis not the overall system state, I generally head to high population systems and scan with the ADS and check for HGE's

https://inara.cz/galaxy-components/

Certainly some mats are hard to find but the ability to locate HGE's quickly and efficiently more than makes up for this.
From my observations Empire aligned systems (high population) with no specific faction state will default to Imperial shielding, with Federation the default drop is Core Dynamics composites and proprietary composites.
Once other states are added an additional mat is added to the list and that appears to have a higher probability than the default, I suspect there's also a spot of RNG but the following list has certainly worked for me.

AllegianceFaction stateHGE drop
AllianceCivil warMilitary grade alloy
BoomProto radiolic alloy + proto light alloys
None???
FederationInvestmentProto heat radiators
Proto radiolic alloy + proto light alloys
ElectionCore Dynamics composites and proprietary composites
NoneCore Dynamics composites and proprietary composites
EmpireInvestmentImperial shielding
Civil warMilitary grade alloys
WarMilitary super capacitors
IndependentInvestmentProto heat radiators
ExpansionProto heat radiators

Obviously this isn’t a complete or definitive list but it works as a decent guide to finding a lot of mats quickly.
I agree that collecting the mat that’s available/plentiful and trading it for what you need isn’t particularly efficient but it gets the job done, e.g. I’ve been in Empire space quite a bit recently and I’ve maxed out the Imperial shielding storage several times and had to go to a mats trader and level out the stock.
 
Actually, it's not the spawn rates of the HGEs that limits the amount of PRAs you get - though I have had runs where I've mostly had PHRs - as the fact that their spawns are shared with those PHRs and their HGEs with PLAs. I reckon on a ratio of PHR/PRA of about 100/30.

When there are HGEs at all, which there usually are but not today.

That’s exactly what I said.
 
That’s exactly what I said.
Fair enough. But I wasn't complaining commenting on the relative rarity of PRAs, but on the almost complete and unprecedented absence of HGEs in the systems where until today the HGEs that at least might contain them could be found.

Edit: and found in some abundance.
 
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