Losing money selling a ship?

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kafolarbear

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So today I bought a diamondback explorer and sold my asp. Before I sold my asp I had 24-25 mil in assets including over 7.5 mil credits on me at that point in time.After turning in about 1mil credits worth of data, I headed over to Wolf 406 to buy myself a brand new diamondback explorer. I sell my asp before buying the diamondback. I did not strip the asp, just straight up sold it. I then proceed to upgrade my diamondback . With the exception of thruster and power plant that I upgrade later, I fully kit it out. I then check my assets again to find that I now 22 mil in assets! My initial thought was thats when selling the ship, I sold it for lower than I bought it. But that would have to mean a 33% loss on a 6 mil ship. What am I missing? Or is this actually a bug that I should ticket? To many this won't seem like a big loss but I'm trying to save up for a python. And since a rarely trade, every credit counts. *Hey you over there, stop sniggering, I have 54 mil total assets so far... I just don't want to sell my DBE, so there.:p*

-Thanks for any suggestions, they are highly appreciated. Also please comment if you think I should take this to support, CMDR Kbear
 
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drhay53

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You lose the money on all of the modules that are currently equipped; if you don't want to lose that money, you have to sell all the modules independently before trading in the ship.
 

LameoveR

LameoveR
"Assets" means all your money including your ship overall cost.
You lose 10% on ship's cost when selling it. And you lose 10% of module's cost, you selling with ship.
That's why it's better to sell internal modules and change non-selling modules to cheapest version befor selling\changing ship.
 

kafolarbear

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Well that's quite a shame any idea why this is the case? Regardless thank you very much for the response much appreciated!

-CMDR Kbear
 

Pete

Pete
drhay53 said:
You lose the money on all of the modules that are currently equipped; if you don't want to lose that money, you have to sell all the modules independently before trading in the ship.
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Exactly this - if you sell modules as part of a ship sale, then they get dinged with the 10% hit on selling a ship. This is not new, and the game has always been like this. It is best to downgrade all modules to the minimum before selling a ship to maximise your return.

Of course, once the 10% hit on selling modules is introduced, then it will no longer make any difference.

-- Pete.
 

SirAdelaide

SirAdelaide
kafolarbear said:
Well that's quite a shame any idea why this is the case? Regardless thank you very much for the response much appreciated!

-CMDR Kbear
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Because you are selling a used ship? You're lucky to get 90% of the value back. Used sales should really be 50% of the original purchase price.
 

Samosa

Samosa
Vasious said:
Because the ship dealers don't want to make a 10% profit (Gross) from resales of secondhand ships, they want to sell them to you at cost.
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Mhmm, but... I'm just suggesting that if we're trying to justify the 10% by talking "realism", things can get silly fast. It either has to be ultra-real or not at all in order to have a decent discussion.
 

kafolarbear

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Guys I realize that's how depreciation works irl, I'm just wondering why selling the modules with the ship makes a difference to selling the modules separately. And one more thing is there currently depreciation on ships? If so I was completely clueless to that. My bad if I was not clear enough.

-CMDR Kbear
 
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Tarman

Tarman
kafolarbear said:
Guys I realize that's how depreciation works irl, I'm just wondering why selling the modules with the ship makes a difference to selling the modules separately. My bad if I was not clear enough.

-CMDR Kbear
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Originally it wasn't supposed to, iirc; think it was initially an oversight. But it's been in the game so long that single-ship, multi-loadout gameplay developed heavily around it. Kit up, go fly here for X thing, rekit for Y thing. Keeps players mobile so they're not locked to a 500-ship fleet to do different jobs.

There will be some kind of ding coming to this area of the game at some point but there'll be some kind of gameplay around it (module storage, that kind of idea).
 
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Vasious

Vasious
kafolarbear said:
Guys I realize that's how depreciation works irl, I'm just wondering why selling the modules with the ship makes a difference to selling the modules separately. And one more thing is there currently depreciation on ships? If so I was completely clueless to that. My bad if I was not clear enough.

-CMDR Kbear
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When you sell a ship you get 90% of the value of it in total modules and all.
So if you stripe a ship down and sell all the internals and downgrade all the modules, which you get 100% back from, when you sell the ship the 10% loss in minimised

ie an all A Grade Sidewinder is 1 million so you sell it for 900,000 or a 100,000 loss, but if you strip it down to nothing you set 968,000 back from the modules at 100 % resell, then sell the hull for a loss of ~3200 credit.
 
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Troa Barton

Troa Barton
Come on guys lets not use this thread to rehash stupid mechanics.
OP because you didn't sell the modules first you lost 10% off the total value of your ship including modules.
next time sell and downgrade everything you can before selling the ship.
your total assets includes your ship and all modules equipped to it plus what's in your bank account.
 

excalibus

excalibus
Tarman said:
Originally it wasn't supposed to, iirc; think it was initially an oversight. But it's been in the game so long that single-ship, multi-loadout gameplay developed heavily around it. Kit up, go fly here for X thing, rekit for Y thing. Keeps players mobile so they're not locked to a 500-ship fleet to do different jobs.

There will be some kind of ding coming to this area of the game at some point but there'll be some kind of gameplay around it (module storage, that kind of idea).
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Will there be some kind on gameplay to work around module depreciation?? Please show me where that has been said by FDev :)

I actually hope that they sneak it in the back door when no one is looking :D
 

Red Anders

Red Anders
Samosa said:
This *only* makes sense if you could buy used ships (at a discount).
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We do buy used ships so you can infer that the prices we pay are actually discounted compared to what new ones would cost.

There isn't a single location in the game that sells new ships with clear plastic on the seats and a complimentary air freshener as far as I'm aware.
 
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