Lost biological samples after getting "killed"

CMDR Don Samen

CMDR Don Samen
I can't see the logic in loosing bio data collected when in Artemis suit and stored on ship when I am "killed" in a Dominator or Maverick suit. The samples are stored on the ship and not in any of the backpacks I'm carrying. And the ship is not blown up. Stuff that I have collected on other missions, that has not been claimed yet is not lost. That is not very consistent. What happens if I'm on a long expedition and have a freak accident in the suit? Those happens easier then I like to admit. The prospect of loosing all bio data if you mess up while on foot is not something I would experience.

I'm currently planning a longer trip in my Anaconda, built to survive alone out there. But with the new terrain design it is harder to find spots to land at. So I have to use SRV, and with that have a higher risk of accidents. It is not a setting I'm very comfortable with, the prospect of loosing it all in such accidents.
 

alexzk

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ebbrell said:
Oh well, lesson to be learnt here.
Same for exploration data.

Remember to hand in a.s.a.p
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Carriers does not accept it yet ... and as mentioned, far-far away on foot has more risks then just flying.
Let's do simple math, lets assume we can fail with 10% chance:
lost ship - 10%
lost srv - 10 %
lost commander - 10%

Now, for exploration data in Horizons you lose data only by losing ship = 10%
For bios into Ody: by losing ship, by losing srv, by losing cmdr - any of that = 10% + 10% + 10% = 30%
 
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CMDR Don Samen

CMDR Don Samen
Risk is not the issue. The main course of this game should be space simulation with a lot of realism. Now I'm getting killed in a settlement because I was in mid flight with my jetpack and some local authority wanted to scan me. I could not stop fast enough so they killed me. Why should that destroy the biological samples I had stored in my ship?

This game has no save progress and return to that point. The only form of save is our safe haven, our ship. As long as we keep that safe all data and stuff should be safe until we could unload it, or the ship itself is destroyed. As soon as the SRV is docked, or we board our ship all data and other stuff should be safe with the ship. If not, exploring will be such high risk that it will not be worth it.

Like now, whatever you do, don't land on a settlement if you have something of value stored on the ship. One triggerhappy local security and all is lost, and I have seen those too many times now. Last time I lost that bio data I had spent much time getting.
 

zikolach

zikolach
CMDR Don Samen said:
I can't see the logic in loosing bio data collected when in Artemis suit and stored on ship when I am "killed" in a Dominator or Maverick suit. The samples are stored on the ship and not in any of the backpacks I'm carrying. And the ship is not blown up. Stuff that I have collected on other missions, that has not been claimed yet is not lost. That is not very consistent. What happens if I'm on a long expedition and have a freak accident in the suit? Those happens easier then I like to admit. The prospect of loosing all bio data if you mess up while on foot is not something I would experience.

I'm currently planning a longer trip in my Anaconda, built to survive alone out there. But with the new terrain design it is harder to find spots to land at. So I have to use SRV, and with that have a higher risk of accidents. It is not a setting I'm very comfortable with, the prospect of loosing it all in such accidents.
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Agree with both opinions that loosing exploration data is not nice and that there should be some sort of risk/challenge.

So why not to make it as new type of mission - when someone is being killed in ship or died on surface add new mission to recover exploration data from the ship or on surface container? If the data was stolen and sold somewhere - then another type of mission - fly to the station where it was sold and buy it back, possibly using some "data" materials to "recover" data out of package.
It might also become eventually available to other players (like a day after) if not yet recovered.
 

zikolach

zikolach
CMDR Don Samen said:
Why should that destroy the biological samples I had stored in my ship?
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Just maybe - your ship was visited be smugglers from future ED (having Ship Interiors), while your body was taking recovery procedures at med bay - would something like this restore immersion?
 

Darth Ender

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just give up on logical reasoning for things that fdev has created for "gameplay" reasons.

You'll just end up in a feedback loop that captures more and more and will never change.

like "Why is it against the law for me to attack a wanted ship that i haven't yet detected as wanted if the faction that is giving me a warrant is the one that knows the person i'm shooting has a warrant and the person i'm shooting is responsible for the report to the faction and shooting a person who has a warrant isn't against the law?"

Players will try and create reasons to justify the things going on this game ...but fdev doesn't care about internal consistency and logic (all of engineers). They do something because it's the gameplay they want and they leave it at that. If it doesn't make sense, who cares. And since they dont care, there's no point in you caring. It'll get you no where.
 

CMDR Don Samen

CMDR Don Samen
When you loose data if you crash your SRV or die on foot the entire exploration with the new Exobiology is to risky. I will not start on a big exploration trip with the current settings.
 

varonica

varonica
CMDR Don Samen said:
When you loose data if you crash your SRV or die on foot the entire exploration with the new Exobiology is to risky. I will not start on a big exploration trip with the current settings.
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It's always been that way, you die you lose stuff. You want to make dying on foot zero risk?
 

Ursus Void

Ursus Void
varonica said:
It's always been that way, you die you lose stuff. You want to make dying on foot zero risk?
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1) ship destruction -> data loss : OK
2) some bio scans -> died on foot before boarding to the ship -> data loss : OK
3) board & disembark -> died on foot -> losing all the previously collected bio data : NOT OK
Why can't I backup collected bio data on my ship...
 

CMDR X

CMDR X
CMDR Don Samen said:
..loosing bio data collected when in Artemis suit and stored on ship when I am "killed" in a Dominator or Maverick suit. The samples are stored on the ship and not in any of the backpacks I'm carrying. And the ship is not blown up. ...
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Haven't done any Bio collecting yet, but if this is true I'm not even going bother. How dumb can you get?
 
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