Lost my brand new Cutter... three times within the first 24 hours!

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First a disclaimer... no I'm not the guy who just grinded Quince for the easy credits (just for the last rank :p), I'm no expert, but I'm also no newb, unlocked most engineers, and I believe I have tackled almost all aspects of the game (except PvP), I think I played long enough to try a Cutter, at least I thought that (it's still true I think, but no experience can beat human stupdity and laziness...).
Second disclaimer, I'm using a docking computer in my trade and delivery ships at least 50% of the time. Not because I'm too stupid to dock, but I'm just lazy, I enjoy the views while docking, I love to hop away from my XBox to pack stuff when I'm getting ready in the morning, I love the immersion of 100% obeying the docking protocol, enjoy hearing the classic sound and the ship ballet, and lastly but mostly I'm just lazy.

So here it goes, finally I wanted to do ""real trading"", I achieved Duke now two or three weeks ago, credits were no problem, just had enough other fun stuff to do. But finally, I wanted to do big haulage.

Here is number 1, pure laziness:
I bought it, had some successful deliveries, couldn't believe how slow and awkward this brick handles but getting accustomed, and then, oh no, ran into an unexpected 300k ls delivery in the morning :| My better half suddenly demands to fetch something she forgot in the car... so clever me thinks kill two birds with one stone, spend the waiting time while making her happy and fetch the stuff. Til now, I never got interdicted when hauling just cargo without missions (and til today never got thereafter), but this time, you know what happened: Coming back from the car and seeing the rebuy screen, riiiding, first -20M!

Number 2, stupdity:
First, I have to tell that I am not only lazy but also greedy, too lazy to engineer a class 5 shield but too greedy to not have >700 tons, so screw you shields. I know these imperial rocket science is shield focused, but flying a cutter without shield is really hilarious. Often enough I get "Hull compromised" just for launching from the pad, not controls touched! Small ships cutting me off in the mail slot taking 10% of my beloved paper hull, but hey, no risk no fun! So I went often enough in and out through the mail slot manually with this big baby, and I got impatient, perfectly aligned with the mail slot (I thought), just centimeters before, lets try it: BOOST. Screeeeeeeech, scraaaatch, "Eject eject", another -20M rebuy ;)

And the last but not least, number 3, not my fault I'd say, but I could have interpreted the signs earlier and better:
Up to now, I absolutely loved my docking computer for the reasons mentioned above, and I thought it was capable. In my AspX I could boost into the mail slot >200 ms, throttle down and have it land perfectly every time, besides other crazy approaches and then handing control to the docking computer. But with the cutter I already noticed it is different, sometimes it couldn't hit the slot but aimed below, almost bumping into the station, but recovering, backing up, just to repeat this forever and force me to fly manually... but I would have never thought it would betray me this hard:

Cargo full, and a nice mission delivery of clothing on board I just had to hop from one planetary base some hundred kilometers to the next. Then there was this type of base I had never seen before, a large and some smaller sky scrapers in the middle, surrounded by a big ring on the ground. So autodocking time again it was to enjoy the view of this unseen settlement. I was directly opposite side of the ring to where my landing pad was.
The docking computer again behaved strangely, zigzagging up and down very slowly around this ring. This is maybe where I should have intervened, but I thought it justs wants to present me some extra views as it had never seen such a base, too ;) Finally, it is getting close to the landing pad, turns, nose pointing to the center at the large sky scraper, but then, what is this? "Swooooooosh", can it be? "Boooooom" Why the do you boost now (algorithm must have just decided to retry the approach or something like that)? I had not even time to disengage the docking computer before I smashed full frontal into the skyscraper, "Eject eject"... there goes my third 20M.

For the first time I have seen a sharp decline in my credits in ED (buying ships is an investment, no decline), but I learned my lessons: Don't get carefree, don't leave your big bucks alone, equip a shield, but hey, it's a game ;)

PS: What is wrong with my beloved docking computer and larger sluggish ships, it doesn't seem to handle these well, and further it doesn't seem to know about the more extravagant bases?
 
A little bit like automation in current commercial aviation, if you've got to the point where you find yourself saying 'what's it doing now?' then it's potentially already too late. :p
 
You can prevent the docking computer to boost by deploying your landing gear before letting it take control. Very useful.

Don't expect too much from the docking computer, always be ready to take back control.

I was ready to take back control here, but boost to crash was seconds in this case. Very nice tip, thanks, had not thought of that! I just wanted to never let this thing land my cutter again on planetary bases :)
 
If you search there are many many threads about the docking computer killing people. Most people that use it, use it safely by flying through the mail slot themselves and then just letting it actually put them on the pad.. Letting it take over from outside (especially in the Cutter) can kill you (or leave you waiting for 15 minutes in a queue...) My advice is to get rid all together although I will admit of my 27 ships I do actually have one on my trade cutter (but not my PVP cutter) simply because it takes some of the tedium of trading away.

Oh.. p.s. you can put around 1400MJ of shielding on a trade Cutter.. even with just a class 6. That would have saved you from the docking computer.
 
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Lol
Nice story!

I've lost my Anaconda to equally stupid things, mostly my fault, once was an odd bug I've never managed to replicate.

The first time i lost my Anaconda​was landing on a high G world fully laden with cargo for the first time.
My approach was cautious, but not quite cautious enough.
I wasn't too far above the pad, I and decided now would be a good time to lower the gear.
I then saw my altitude dropping faster than I'd like, alot faster.
I went to pull up and boost, but alas, my gear was still down.
I panicky raised my gear, and at 20~m i hit boost, and pulled up.
Unfortunately, a sentry skimmer was loitering just below me, before the boost kicked in, I'd flattened the poor sentry, hit the ground, lost shields, then boosted, while under fire from the port, at hit the side of my assign landing pad.
My Anaconda was christened Pancake I. 9mil rebuy.
So, a few days later, Pancake II was coming in to land at an Orbital station.
Everything was normal, docking permission granted, flying in at a steady 150m/s, ignoring the speed limit, just passing through the slot.
Shieldless Harmless NPC Eagle pops up in front of me, right in the way.
Full reverse thrust, pull up, yaw, roll. Not enough. Poor NPC got flattened.
Station wasn't impressed and ventilated Pancake II.

Pancake III, was a bug.
I was checking my map for my next destination for some time, while waiting on the pad in a planetary outpost. I never hit launch, i wasn't even facing the right way.
A finally decide on where to go, and close the map.
"Loitering warning. 3...2...1..."
I try to clear the pad, and hit boost, but alas, the gear is down!
The station quickly reventilate Pancake III.

I'm now on Pancake IV. So far so good. Lol
 
Oh.. p.s. you can put around 1400MJ of shielding on a trade Cutter.. even with just a class 6. That would have saved you from the docking computer.

This for sure!

The OP was wanting >700T cargo so he rolled without shields? My trade Cutter has class 6 shields AND 704T of cargo.

It makes me wonder what's filling up his slots.


Good story though OP!
 
You can prevent the docking computer to boost by deploying your landing gear before letting it take control. Very useful.

Don't expect too much from the docking computer, always be ready to take back control.

+1 rep.
I never knew that, thank you very much.
Playing since GPP, and still learning!!

o7
 
Wow. I've been playing for 21 months (granted with a lot of restarts) but I have to admire how much money some folks have accumulated. I am always scrambling for cash. Plus the grind for the top rank-locked ships. And I mean grind. Tried it once to get a Clipper and promptly took 6 weeks off of ED after 3 days of trying.
I like to trade - among other things - but I will never have the rank to buy a Cutter.
 
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1. I do this sometimes, especially if headed to a station over 30,000 ls away. You are taking a chance though. I came back to my Python one day last week to find it drifting with it's FSD shot out while cops battled an NPC in the distance.
2. Shields are kinda useful.
3. Sounds like a bug.
 
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You know, if you're going to step away from your computer for any length of time, just log out. You're not in combat, so you'll be logged out instantly. Yes, it'll take you a bit to log back in, but it's quicker than having to remake the rebuy on a 600 million credit machine.
 
Glad to see you're so upbeat about it :)

Simple AI is bad at "thinking" ahead in complex situations. A small ship which turns on a dime can be flown purely in the moment, whereas a heavy ship with long stopping and turning distances has to be flown a minute in the future.
 
Here's my 704 cargo Cutter A-rated with A6 shields/shield boosters. The weapons aren't even used as it outruns any interdiction. I always setup the initial approach to help the Docking Computer. The Cutter has mass thus lots of inertia and momentum and with it's very powerful A8 thrusters it's fun to quickly slide it around for a direct approach to the mailslot or planetary landing pad. Then dropping the landing gear prevents the Docking Computer from engaging the engine Booster which when docking is a fast way in a Cutter to get to the rebuy screen. I also set the nose elevation to zero degrees on planetary landings before activating the Docking Computer. This prevents any docking glitches occurring in the initial approach especially with higher gravity landings.

Of course none of this helps when I play way too long and fall asleep!

Trading Cutter
 
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Here's my 704 cargo Cutter A-rated with A6 shields/shield boosters. The weapons aren't even used as it outruns any interdiction. I always setup the initial approach to help the Docking Computer. The Cutter has mass thus lots of inertia and momentum and with it's very powerful A8 thrusters it's fun to quickly slide it around for a direct approach to the mailslot or planetary landing pad. Then dropping the landing gear prevents the Docking Computer from engaging the engine Booster which when docking is a fast way in a Cutter to get to the rebuy screen. I also set the nose elevation to zero degrees on planetary landings before activating the Docking Computer. This prevents any docking glitches occurring in the initial approach especially with higher gravity landings.

Trading Cutter

You'll get 720 cargo if you ditch the docking computer, store the discovery scanner at one of the stations you're trading at, and just pick up a docking computer at one of those stations. The things are everywhere and they're only 1500 credits, just remember to pick up the ADS again when you leave in a week or two.
 
Here's my 704 cargo Cutter A-rated with A6 shields/shield boosters.

That looks awesome. My first thought was that I should probably start ranking up with the Empire as I really like the look of the ship... Then I spotted the cost, and the ranking became unimportant. [big grin]
 
Here's my 704 cargo Cutter A-rated with A6 shields/shield boosters. The weapons aren't even used as it outruns any interdiction. I always setup the initial approach to help the Docking Computer. The Cutter has mass thus lots of inertia and momentum and with it's very powerful A8 thrusters it's fun to quickly slide it around for a direct approach to the mailslot or planetary landing pad. Then dropping the landing gear prevents the Docking Computer from engaging the engine Booster which when docking is a fast way in a Cutter to get to the rebuy screen. I also set the nose elevation to zero degrees on planetary landings before activating the Docking Computer. This prevents any docking glitches occurring in the initial approach especially with higher gravity landings.

Of course none of this helps when I play way too long and fall asleep!

Trading Cutter

That looks really familiar. LOL

https://eddp.co/u/kzFUSLxX]Narada II Trade Cutter
 
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