Macaw set up (if we get avians)

[jcp011c]

If we do end up getting avians and Macaws of part of it, how would you prefer them to be introduced? There's a lot of macaw species, and it would be great to see a variety of them, but having them introduced separately would presumably take away a spot from another bird (or other animal).

Would you rather have several different color variations all under one general species, in much the same way there are coat variations. This could give a visual representation but would also muddle up the zoopedia and species information. Taxonomic identified drawbacks nonwithstanding, this would be my preference.

Or would you rather have each species introduced separately - at most this probably means getting just one or two different macaw species.

Just curious what others would think of this. If the option even comes up.

 

[ElectricMonk]

Introducing multiple species under one in-game group (genus in this case) seems unlikely. It wouldn’t only invalidate zoopedia information, it’d also invalidate breeding as a mechanism that’s worth anything realistic. Given that they haven’t even done this for exhibit animals (eg poison frogs) where it might be less of an issue, I really don’t see it happening for birds.

 

[Pentoleaf]

I would rather see individual species. Too many people talk about "breeds" of macaw (or worse, of parrots in general) and don't seem to understand that, not only are they different species, but they are often different genera as well.

There are several hybrid species, some of which have been encouraged by breeders and some of which occur naturally in the wild, but I would prefer that to be a zoopedia fact rather than a game mechanic.

 

[Bearcat9948]

Would you rather have several different color variations all under one general species, in much the same way there are coat variations. This could give a visual representation but would also muddle up the zoopedia and species information. Taxonomic identified drawbacks nonwithstanding, this would be my preference.

Ewwwwwww. Not this. I would rather not have any macaws than this

 

[KönigDerKaffeebohnen]

Honestly, when they do the different models they can also just write the zoopedia page and they are done.

When they do the skin, the most work would be done and they could easily buffer up the raster with 4 instead of 1 species and even market that pretty well

 

[Firestar97]

Of course they should make separate Species. How would it make Sense to have a Scarlet Macaw breed with a Hyacinth Macaw and then a Spix Macaw hatches?

For a Presentation Picture, they could just have them sit next to each other. Maybe Scarlet Macaw, Blue-and-yellow Macaw, Hyacinth Macaw and Spix Macaw sitting next to each other on a horizontal wooden Pole (but those are lots of blue Species, so maybe considering that we might get 4 at most, the Blue-and-yellow Macaw could be replaced with the Great green Macaw, the African Grey Parrot (I know, it's not a Macaw, but it has a similar Body Shape) or another one. Was pretty sure there was also a yellow Species but I can't find anything about it (maybe just some kind of Hybrid )

 

[yoav_r]

I don't think species mixing is a good idea. I think if we get <10 birds the Scarlet macaw will be enough.

If we get more, I could maybe see the Hyacinth macaw getting in.

 

[Antimony96]

We would need at least 50+ birds in order to come even close to the amount of necessary species diversity (which, based on the collections of real zoos, should be equivalent to or greater than mammals). If we have half a dozen bears surely we can half a dozen parrots.

And no, different species should have different Zoopedia entries and be regarded as fully separate.

 

[Spartan_Squat]

I would like to see if they add macaws, parrots, hawks or small birds could work like terrariums or like the Prehistoric Kingdom aviaries that holds Microraptors and Archaeopteryx. Also it would be neat to have a switch button to hide and show the external case.

 

[yoav_r]

We would need at least 50+ birds in order to come even close to the amount of necessary species diversity (which, based on the collections of real zoos, should be equivalent to or greater than mammals). If we have half a dozen bears surely we can half a dozen parrots.

And no, different species should have different Zoopedia entries and be regarded as fully separate.

Yeah, but I don't really see Frontier putting this much species in a single pack, based on their dlc models for this and other games

 

[ElectricMonk]

We would need at least 50+ birds in order to come even close to the amount of necessary species diversity (which, based on the collections of real zoos, should be equivalent to or greater than mammals). If we have half a dozen bears surely we can half a dozen parrots.

And no, different species should have different Zoopedia entries and be regarded as fully separate.

I know I’m probably in the minority, but when it comes to birds, unlike mammals, I’m actually not all that fussed about what species we end up getting. The main point of aviaries for me is to be able to create cool-looking structures, since these are often among the most impressive buildings in zoos - the birds themselves are necessary to make the aviaries work, rather than the other way round. There are lots of birds I love, but I’m afraid most of my favourites are much too small to be added as habitat-type animals. For the others, a macaw, a cockatoo, a raptor, some water birds… Not too fussed about the species.

 

[yoav_r]

I know I’m probably in the minority, but when it comes to birds, unlike mammals, I’m actually not all that fussed about what species we end up getting. The main point of aviaries for me is to be able to create cool-looking structures, since these are often among the most impressive buildings in zoos - the birds themselves are necessary to make the aviaries work, rather than the other way round. There are lots of birds I love, but I’m afraid most of my favourites are much too small to be added as habitat-type animals. For the others, a macaw, a cockatoo, a raptor, some water birds… Not too fussed about the species.

While I generally agree, I do think we need diverse representation, both for different types of aviaries (wetlands, tropical, raptors...) and for actual biodiversity of birds.

 

[Antimony96]

Yeah, but I don't really see Frontier putting this much species in a single pack, based on their dlc models for this and other games

Oh I know it won't happen, but it speaks to the lack of balance and the lack of fan interest in birds. Look at the meta-wishlist--tons of mammals, many of which fare poorly in captivity like the platypus and walrus, but only two flying birds in the top fifty. Even if aviary birds are excluded that shows a very unfortunate lack of interest in the kinds of grounded/wading birds that would work in Planet Zoo even without an aviary system. Who could say no, for instance, to the demoiselle crane? 132 zoos in the EU hold this gorgeous bird. Imagine being able to choose between it and the African grey-crowned crane just as you can choose between a Himalayan brown bear and a Formosan black bear.

 

[Pentoleaf]

Oh I know it won't happen, but it speaks to the lack of balance and the lack of fan interest in birds. Look at the meta-wishlist--tons of mammals, many of which fare poorly in captivity like the platypus and walrus, but only two flying birds in the top fifty. Even if aviary birds are excluded that shows a very unfortunate lack of interest in the kinds of grounded/wading birds that would work in Planet Zoo even without an aviary system. Who could say no, for instance, to the demoiselle crane? 132 zoos in the EU hold this gorgeous bird. Imagine being able to choose between it and the African grey-crowned crane just as you can choose between a Himalayan brown bear and a Formosan black bear.
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TBF the meta wishlist does discourage putting flighted birds on your list due to the current game mechanics, but I am also annoyed at the lack of flightless birds. Emu at least has broken the top ten.

I would love to see more wetlands birds in the game, especially temperate species, because currently we don't have anything to fill a duckpond with. I love the line-up for the NA pack, and I'm happy the gator enthusiasts got their croc... but I was my crossing fingers for a trumpeter swan, whooping crane, or wood duck.

There are a ton of smaller flighted birds I'd love to see in game eventually, but I'm not hugely fussed if they're habitat or exhibit based, and as long as there is basic representation (a parrot, a raptor, an owl, a corvid, a kingfisher) I don't even really care which species we get.

I would also like butterflies at some point, even as a sfx piece, because butterfly houses are cool.

 

[yoav_r]

Oh I know it won't happen, but it speaks to the lack of balance and the lack of fan interest in birds. Look at the meta-wishlist--tons of mammals, many of which fare poorly in captivity like the platypus and walrus, but only two flying birds in the top fifty. Even if aviary birds are excluded that shows a very unfortunate lack of interest in the kinds of grounded/wading birds that would work in Planet Zoo even without an aviary system. Who could say no, for instance, to the demoiselle crane? 132 zoos in the EU hold this gorgeous bird. Imagine being able to choose between it and the African grey-crowned crane just as you can choose between a Himalayan brown bear and a Formosan black bear.
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The meta-wishlist has active rules against animals not within current game mechanics, hence the missing fish, birds and tiny mammals.

I am surprised however that the cranes/ratites/fowls/storks are not more popular.