Make T9 and Beluga more usefull and specialized.

[CMDR Don Samen]

There are two ships that are stealing their function, the Corvette and the Cutter. And they make the Beluga Liner and the T9 more or less obsolete. The T9, that big and heavy lump has more or less the same cargo capacity as the Cutter, but is far from in the same class. The heaviest cargo freighter, the T9 should be the biggest ship. Give the T9 one or two extra class 7 or 8 cargo bays to be the transport ship it deserves to be.

And the Beluga Liner has basically less passenger capacity than the Corvette. The corvette can have class 7 shields and 4 class 6 cabins, the Beluga can have class 6 shields and only 3 class 6 cabins. It's so wrong that the heavy battle ship function better than the luxury cruise liner when it comes to hauling passengers. Lift the all class 3 to 5 slots in the Beluga up one class. That would make the Beluga Liner the ultimate cruise ship.

Those adjustments would make both ships worth owning.

 

[Rick6549]

Excuse me, coming through...


AHEM


The beluga is already better than all of those ships, thank you for your time

Making all the modules in the Beluga one size bigger would make it the ultimate hull tank, its already got a max of 4k without engineering, raising all the modules would easily give it 10k with engineering.

 

[Speedcuffs]

Umm. Ok, you get a like, cos... T-9.
What I think they would benefit from is some juggling around with the mission boards.

Say, more missions about the 600/700t mark.
Beluga, I dunno, mine is usually half empty.

Edit: Oh C'mon now, I thought I'd beat him to a response.

 

[CMDR Don Samen]

If someone want to use the Beluga as a hull tank, be my guest. With that maneuverability and 5 class 2 HP, you can't do much more than being that enormous target. So the main strategy would be to make them so tired that they just leave you alone. If that's your main goal the Beluga would be a proper choice.

If most slots are restricted the function of the ship limits itself. My opinion is that the Beluga deserves a better setup that makes it the ultimate passanger ship. Maybe limit most slots even more to passanger modules only?

 

[Rick6549]

If someone want to use the Beluga as a hull tank, be my guest. With that maneuverability and 5 class 2 HP, you can't do much more than being that enormous target. So the main strategy would be to make them so tired that they just leave you alone. If that's your main goal the Beluga would be a proper choice.

If most slots are restricted the function of the ship limits itself. My opinion is that the Beluga deserves a better setup that makes it the ultimate passanger ship. Maybe limit most slots even more to passanger modules only?

Youve never flown a beluga have you ? That thing turns more like a small ship than its rating would suggest, dont pay attention to the maneuverability rating. The beluga is also comparable to the Federal Assault ship in firepower, it can also carry a fighter. The beluga can go up to 400ms, fully loaded with hull reinforcements, fighters, and weapons. Dont forget abput ramming either, its an easy way to take 20% of an anacondas hull in one go with that.



Also, restriced slots are bad, and pointless, no one wants their ship limited just cuz

 

[Trotsky2112]

If someone want to use the Beluga as a hull tank, be my guest. With that maneuverability and 5 class 2 HP, you can't do much more than being that enormous target. So the main strategy would be to make them so tired that they just leave you alone. If that's your main goal the Beluga would be a proper choice.

If most slots are restricted the function of the ship limits itself. My opinion is that the Beluga deserves a better setup that makes it the ultimate passanger ship. Maybe limit most slots even more to passanger modules only?

A way to make them compete would be to upgrade either the weapons and engines on the Beluga and T-9. Give them better offensive capability to make them a no-rank-required alternative to the Corvette and Cutter.

 

[Rick6549]

A way to make them compete would be to upgrade either the weapons and engines on the Beluga and T-9. Give them better offensive capability to make them a no-rank-required alternative to the Corvette and Cutter.

The beluga already is better than both of those. Faster and more agile than both, equal firepower of the corvette if you count ramming(even without ramming, its still good) and it can actually turn in supercruise.

 

[Trotsky2112]

The beluga already is better than both of those. Faster and more agile than both, equal firepower of the corvette if you count ramming(even without ramming, its still good) and it can actually turn in supercruise.

Must remember to try it out once I get back to the bubble.

 

[Ascendingbike42]

The type 9 can be bought for 50million credits from lyr systems and has almost identical cargo capacity as a cutter for a fraction of the price without any rank lock. The only buff it needs is one extra class 3 slot so I can fit a research limpet on my explorer.

 

[Misty_Dark]

There are two ships that are stealing their function, the Corvette and the Cutter. And they make the Beluga Liner and the T9 more or less obsolete. The T9, that big and heavy lump has more or less the same cargo capacity as the Cutter, but is far from in the same class. The heaviest cargo freighter, the T9 should be the biggest ship. Give the T9 one or two extra class 7 or 8 cargo bays to be the transport ship it deserves to be.

And the Beluga Liner has basically less passenger capacity than the Corvette. The corvette can have class 7 shields and 4 class 6 cabins, the Beluga can have class 6 shields and only 3 class 6 cabins. It's so wrong that the heavy battle ship function better than the luxury cruise liner when it comes to hauling passengers. Lift the all class 3 to 5 slots in the Beluga up one class. That would make the Beluga Liner the ultimate cruise ship.

Those adjustments would make both ships worth owning.

So Type 9 vs Cutter...


class 5 shield vs class 6 shield (unless you have one these fabled class 5 shields for the Cutter, that you can no longer get)
with shields, 758T vs 730T cargo... Cutter only beats on cargo if going only cargo racks, by 4T.

Type 9 also have a bigger fuel tank, so it can make more jumps.

Cutter win in speed

They both suck at turning...


Cutter have more weapons and can more easily defend itself. But that does not really matter if you skip the shield though...


So the Type 9 is doing fine, it is a cheap bulk transporter... and if you want more firepower, then we got the Type 10...

[edit]
Type 9 is ALOT cheaper compared to the Cutter, even more so if you go a bit crazy and get Reactive Armour...

So my trade ships have both react Armour
Cutter costs a whopping 1154 million credits, compared to my Type 9 that only costs 364 million credits!!!

[edit 2]
As Florenus later pointed out,
Cutter require Empire rank to buy
Type 9 can be bought as soon as you have the funds for it.

 

[Kissamies]

T9 is fine. It's cheap compared to the Cutter, and if someone wants to use Cutter for hauling, he has certainly paid for the privilege. Beluga I'd like to incentivize towards luxury passengers a little bit, but not with restricted slots. That has been tried and was a bad idea. Better idea would be having it, and all Saud Kruger ships, upgrade the effective quality of the passenger cabins by one. First Class becomes Luxury and so on.

 

[Florenus]

Aren't you forgetting that you can buy Type-9 for much less, without being a Baron or something?
Why do you think it should be comparable to the Cutter?

And Beluga can have Luxury Passenger cabins.
(not sure if they're worth it though)

 

[Misty_Dark]

Aren't you forgetting that you can buy Type-9 for much less, without being a Baron or something?
Why do you think it should be comparable to the Cutter?

And Beluga can have Luxury Passenger cabins.
(not sure if they're worth it though)

That is the sad part with Beluga, Orca and Dolphin, there is very little incentive to use the luxury cabins.

 

[Rick6549]

Aren't you forgetting that you can buy Type-9 for much less, without being a Baron or something?
Why do you think it should be comparable to the Cutter?

And Beluga can have Luxury Passenger cabins.
(not sure if they're worth it though)

They are worth it if you can find any. All tye beluga needs to be tye ultimate passenger ship in addition to tye ultimate everything else, is to make luxury missions not as rare

 

[Old Duck]

I love my Type-9, much rather use it to haul cargo than a Cutter or Corvette or even Conda. From what I witnessed at last trade CG, I am not alone.

 

[Northpin]

Yeap, Both T9 and Beluga are quite fine as they are.

T10 needs some love, Crusader too.

 

[Berpol]

The T9 is an inexpensive trader available for anyone (with enouch credits). If you want to be better at defending yourself there are enough options (Python, T10...). The only reason I don't use one is because I already have an Imperial Cutter.
What the Beloga needs is missions. Very few need luxury cabins or even more than one.

T10 needs some love, Crusader too.

Remind me, which one was the Crusader?

 

[Northpin]

Remind me, which one was the Crusader?

Exactly

 

[CMDR Don Samen]

T9 is fine. It's cheap compared to the Cutter, and if someone wants to use Cutter for hauling, he has certainly paid for the privilege. Beluga I'd like to incentivize towards luxury passengers a little bit, but not with restricted slots. That has been tried and was a bad idea. Better idea would be having it, and all Saud Kruger ships, upgrade the effective quality of the passenger cabins by one. First Class becomes Luxury and so on.

That was not a bad idea, upgrade the effective quality of the passenger cabins. You can't even haul the 51 passenger first class missions with the Beluga without fitting it with a class 5 shield, and in the Corvette you can do it with a class 7 shield. They made the smaller ship having better capacity than the larger ship made for the job. It is kind of wrong to me. I just don't bother having a Beluga Liner when the Corvette have better capacity, better weapons and much better shields. There is just one exception, the luxury passengers. But to haul them I have the Orca, and mine is not much used.

 

[CMDR Don Samen]

I love my Type-9, much rather use it to haul cargo than a Cutter or Corvette or even Conda. From what I witnessed at last trade CG, I am not alone.

I had a T9, but after running a risky mission ending in 4 enemies hunting me I sold the ship. The interdiction was almost impossible to avoid, and after that the T9 was pretty much useless against a FAS, unless the enemy was competent or below. The battle was basically to try hitting when the FAS finished it's loop around me. Unless I had turret weapons, and the attacker had no flares.

So I ended up in the Cutter, a ship with close to same capacity and enough firepower to stop most enemies. So to make the T9 worth the effort it should be the ship with most cargo capacity.