Mamba Needs Size 6 Thrusters

flyauburn41

flyauburn41
Just what the title says.

A Mamba outifted and upgraded to G5 Meta levels only boosts to 595-600.

Also the lateral Thrusters are not great.

If this ship is supposed to be a speed demon, and a jouster, it needs to be at 620-650.

A typical Meta Lance boosts 550-560.

So a 595 Mamba is barely faster than a Meta Lance.

That isn’t going to cut it when it’s supposed to be a “Speed demon that can hit hard and ‘vanish’”.

Discuss.
 

Archvillain

Archvillain
flyauburn41 said:
So a 595 Mamba is barely faster than a Meta Lance.
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That sounds about right to me; the mamba should be faster than the (already superfast) FDL but not massively so; its speed should leave enough room for small racer/fighters to be faster yet. (Else it would seem OP to me; no ship should have all the guns and all the speed, and the FDL is already extremely powerful on those fronts)

40+ speed difference isn't insignificant. So "on paper" I'd think Mamba seems like a speed demon that can hit hard and vanish; pretty much nothing is as fast and heavily armed as a high-grade FDL, and this thing is even faster!

I don't envy anyone trying to escape from a Mamba.
 
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Wyldwiisel

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If you dont have the speed to put in distance for a turn fdl will just stick to you mamba turn rate is lower it needs to be able to shoot back in a joust
 

psylim

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The FDL is also a fast fighter. Try comparing it to a more standard ship, say the Python or the AspX. When you do that, 600 m/s is plenty fast to hit and run.
 

Wyldwiisel

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Convergence isnt too great either take it to a CZ hitting anything with both class 3s is pretty hard unless its 300m away
As for normal ship An Orca Clipper Courier Viper 3 Imperial Eagle and Cobra is faster than it base speed unmodified unengineered so its far from been quick engineer those and they are even quicker
its description says one of the fastest ships in production ranking 8th out of 37 like saying its in top 25%
and only slightly less maneuverable try its lateral yaw its pretty much none existent
 
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flyauburn41

flyauburn41
psylim said:
The FDL is also a fast fighter. Try comparing it to a more standard ship, say the Python or the AspX. When you do that, 600 m/s is plenty fast to hit and run.
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It makes no sense to compare it to a Python.

It’s direct comparison should be the FDL.

If they were going for a faster but less maneuverable, albeit more heavily armed, version of that ship, they didn’t quite hit the mark.

Just a little more speed and it makes more sense and has more of a defined place on the ship lineup.
 

Frenotx

Frenotx
The size of the thruster model doesn't matter at all. FDev can just tweak the base values as needed to adjust the flight characteristics. The only reason that would make sense for a thruster module size increase would be to NERF the ship, via increasing its power and heat challenges.
 

Phoenix13

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600 is perfect to be against the fdl. That means by the time an fdl can 180, you will be out of range. Any faster and it would be massively OP against everything else. I disagree with the OP and think 600 it's plenty. Also, it's cruise speed is faster than many ships boost speed, which i personally think its too strong, but we will see if that's accurate or not as it is played more.

Also, as ships get faster and faster, the slower ones become obsolete, which is a shame. The meta is already much faster now than it used to be.
 

Archvillain

Archvillain
flyauburn41 said:
It makes no sense to compare it to a Python.
It’s direct comparison should be the FDL.
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I think it makes more sense to evaluate it holistically. A direct FDL comparison only really makes sense from a narrow combat-PvP perspective, but the Mamba still has to fit into and work well with a far bigger game than just the player-vs-player head-to-head-battle side of things.
 
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Kaybe

Kaybe
Uhm ... the Mamba tops out at the same speed as an Imperial Clipper and Orca, no? At least that's what Coriolis says. That basically makes it the fastest medium ship in the game already and noticeably faster than a Ferdie.
 

Stealthie

Stealthie
The problem is, most C6 thrusters have a minimum mass that'd mean every Mamba in the galaxy would just tear around at Ludicrous Speed, regardless of build.

I'd rather they just, perhaps, shaved a bit off the weight to reflect the idea that it's supposed to be a "racing ship".
 

Wyldwiisel

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That ludicrous speed would still be below 650 and it has a massive hitbox and yes all mambas would be the same speed as they would all sit at minimum mass should be easy to balance as they will all have same turning circle and top.speed
 

CMDR Redcrest

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I disagree. Speed is fine as is. It needs improved manouverability. 4ish lyrs on the base jump range. A size 2 or 3 internal. It also needs to run a fair bit cooler.
 

Wyldwiisel

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I have orca at 642 and clipper at 639 mamba at 629 with grade 5 dirtys with drag so it's not the fastest like I said I. Earlier posts it's 8th 9th if you include cobra 4 but not many folks have those
 

House0fDerp

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Wyldwiisel said:
Yes those builds would be in unuseable
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Maybe, but that's not really apples to apples, enhanced drive capable ships aside. Seems it very much can match the max boost speeds with a higher base should the fitting sites be correct. Granted it's an ambitious fit. Jut wondering if that's replicable in the beta.
 
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