Mamba vs Phantom comparison

Krash · Jan 25, 2019

Phantom

Mamba

Quick summary:

	mamba	phantom
boost	591	570
MJ	2732	2440
Armor	1566	461
DPS	668	810
Agility	3	3
Jump	17	27
Rebuy	4.8m	7.2m

The phantom is more agile than the mamba (not reflected in the 3 score), but I dont know if that's enough to overcome its other shortcomings in combat. I would rather have the Mamba, probably just my piloting skill level and style preference.

Vedmo · Jan 25, 2019

I've done a fair bit of (pve) combat in both, and I agree the Phantom handles better, also runs fewer weapons with a bigger PD. I enjoy both, but am more often in the Phantom, room for collection limpets to farm mats in RES, and it's just easier I suppose.

Taking my laziness out of the equation, I do think the Mamba is superior for combat.

Krash · Jan 25, 2019

Vedmo said:
I've done a fair bit of (pve) combat in both, and I agree the Phantom handles better, also runs fewer weapons with a bigger PD. I enjoy both, but am more often in the Phantom, room for collection limpets to farm mats in RES, and it's just easier I suppose.

Taking my laziness out of the equation, I do think the Mamba is superior for combat.

The phantom has the bonus of "endless boost" and lazy pip management. There should be a category for that.

Bryan K · Jan 25, 2019

Two ships intended for two completely different purposes. You might as well compare the FdL to the Asp X.

Krash · Jan 25, 2019

Bryan K said:
Two ships intended for two completely different purposes. You might as well compare the FdL to the Asp X.

Nice try, but I see more CMDRs flying phantoms in combat.

Aekero · Jan 25, 2019

was this thread asking for something or just comparing them?

edit: also I hope the mamba is better at combat but I have no idea, simply because the phantom is much, much more versatile

Bob Lighthouse · Jan 25, 2019

Krash said:
Phantom

Mamba

Quick summary:

mamba phantom
boost 591 570
MJ 2732 2440
Armor 1566 461
DPS 668 810
Agility 3 3
Jump 17 27

The phantom is more agile than the mamba (not reflected in the 3 score), but I dont know if that's enough to overcome its other shortcomings in combat. I would rather have the Mamba, probably just my piloting skill level and style preference.

LW alloys?!
Really?
W/ Prismatics?
And mostly SRPs?
What's with those builds?

Mugur · Jan 25, 2019

That data is specific to your builds only.

Krash · Jan 25, 2019

Bob Lighthouse said:
LW alloys?!
Really?
W/ Prismatics?
And mostly SRPs?
What's with those builds?

These aren't the builds you are looking for. Move along, move along...

Bob Lighthouse · Jan 25, 2019

Krash said:
These aren't the builds you are looking for. Move along, move along...

Well, if you're trying to stack it in the Mamba's favor somehow, don't let me get in your way!

Making the Phantom a more conventional hybrid closes the defensive gap almost entirely, assuming you also upgrade the Mamba's bulkheads, otherwise the Phantom pulls ahead.

Krash · Jan 25, 2019

Bob Lighthouse said:
Well, if you're trying to stack it in the Mamba's favor somehow, don't let me get in your way!

Making the Phantom a more conventional hybrid closes the defensive gap almost entirely, assuming you also upgrade the Mamba's bulkheads, otherwise the Phantom pulls ahead.

Astute observation. I dont want the conventional hybrid. I already have some of those.

Bob Lighthouse · Jan 25, 2019

Krash said:
Astute observation. I dont want the conventional hybrid. I already have some of those.

Is the 4A SCB in the c5 slot on purpose too?
You just don't want those extra MJs?

Seems like a hodgepodge.
Not sure what you're going for is all.

Krash · Jan 25, 2019

Bob Lighthouse said:
Is the 4A SCB in the c5 slot on purpose too?
You just don't want those extra MJs?

Seems like a hodgepodge.
Not sure what you're going for is all.

That's a good call out, I just build this yesterday and need some more testing. If hot banking proves the 4A too hot I may have to downgrade it to 3A or put another SRP there. Thanks.

Bob Lighthouse · Jan 25, 2019

Krash said:
That's a good call out, I just build this yesterday and need some more testing. If hot banking proves the 4A too hot I may have to downgrade it to 3A or put another SRP there. Thanks.

Why?
You can fire off a 6A by itself in a Krait.

Krash · Jan 25, 2019

Bob Lighthouse said:
Why?
You can fire off a 6A by itself in a Krait.

Really? Without heatsinks and take no heat dmg?

Bob Lighthouse · Jan 25, 2019

Krash said:
Really? Without heatsinks and take no heat dmg?

Mine will go a little over 100% but not much.
I use a 6a bank and 5A prism on my multirole MKII.
I assume the Phantom will handle the heat at least as well.

I'd go for the Specialized mod before I'd downgrade the size.
Those things run cool to begin with

Bob Lighthouse · Jan 25, 2019

I can do a test later today if you'd like.

Bob Lighthouse · Jan 25, 2019

And ftr, I'm not trying to just give you a hard time.
You seem like a smart builder so if you're doing something unorthodox, I just want to know why.

Krash · Jan 25, 2019

Bob Lighthouse said:
I can do a test later today if you'd like.

Thanks. I will as well with my build. And I don't mind taking some minor damage as long as weapons dont start to fail.

Krash · Jan 25, 2019

Bob Lighthouse said:
And ftr, I'm not trying to just give you a hard time.
You seem like a smart builder so if you're doing something unorthodox, I just want to know why.

Understood. I already have a couple of shield tanks but they feel the same, i.e. the Mamba. I want a shield tank that is more maneuverable than the mamba and different than the FDL. I need to practice my evasion skills. I'm trying to turn this phantom into a big Vulture with more guns and shields, maybe that's a mistake. But I enjoy the building, trial and error part of the game.