Maybe I'm not doing Mining right...

Connor Caple

Connor Caple
I liked the idea of the 'new mining' so I hit YouTube and watched a couple of videos (OA and another guy), kitted out a Cobra and headed out to try it.

I spent more restocking the drilling missiles and collector/prospectors than I made from the resources. :D

Took my 'haul' back to my home station to discover they wanted every other thing ending in -ite (Yes, probably even THAT one) except the two I'd got, and were paying over 250K a pop for all the other stuff and about 250 (NO K) for mine.

Yes, it's a learning experience and I think I'll fit out a better ship, but man, they really hate me.

Another thing - about 60% of the drill missiles I fired just failed completely - no "Hold on tight sugar, momma wants drilling tonight, don't let go just yet!" message (Well, went that way in my head ... )

They just hit the rock and went pop. Quite disappointing, bit like damp squibs on bonfire night. I guess I'm doing something wrong there too.

(Maybe I'm just getting too old for this stuff and should stick to Space Trucking, which I'm actually good at. [haha] )
 
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Stealthie

Stealthie
Did you see FDev's live-stream, where Ed decided to go deep-core mining... and couldn't find a single deep-core 'roid throughout the entire live-stream?

Cos, while there's certainly a lot of credits to be made from mining, finding the deep-core 'roids isn't quite as straightforward as some people seem to suggest.

If I go looking for LTDs or VOs in an AspX, I'll have 64 limpets and I'll consider it a success if I find 2 or 3 deep-core asteroids in the 2 hours it'll take me to use up those limpets.
Course, at ~Cr25m per 'roid, finding 3 suitable rocks in 2 hours equates to earning almost Cr40m per hour, which is enough for me.

Dunno if it's just luck but I've had more success mining Painite than LTDs/VOs.
2 hours in my T10 can get me 150-200t of Painite (using all the tools) which isn't worth as much as LTDs/VOs but earns me more due to the quantity I can get.
 
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Stabby_Dave

Stabby_Dave
I went core mining tonight. Picked a pristine ice ring and found a void opal hotspot. 3 1/2 hours later, I'd found 4 rocks with cores and 2 of them were bromelite. The other two were void opal and granddadite (or whatever it's called).

Perhaps I'm doing it wrong.
 

House0fDerp

H
I feel better after reading this. Had a brief run last night that came up empty aside from a game crash as the one deep core rock I had popped. Wasn't looking long but to hear they aren't everywhere confirms that maybe I'm not doing it entirely wrong.
 

Iron Golem

Iron Golem
I'm finding some sparing and some sessions semi consistent. I think the spot matters on how often you come across. I feel like my gut says known spots are getting mined out fast and that's really a thing. I'm going out hunting for a fresh spot tonight that is hopefully untouched to see how it goes.
 

Stealthie

Stealthie
Cloud Breaker said:
I'm finding some sparing and some sessions semi consistent. I think the spot matters on how often you come across. I feel like my gut says known spots are getting mined out fast and that's really a thing. I'm going out hunting for a fresh spot tonight that is hopefully untouched to see how it goes.
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Yep.

If you're in an inhabited system, stop off at a station and look at the traffic reports.
If there's been very little traffic through the system then you can, at least, assume there aren't a gazillion other CMDRs (in Solo) all frantically mining the same ring system you're looking at.
 

Iron Golem

Iron Golem
The void opal part is about 60-70% of the profit, I have been picking up the low temp diamonds and grandidirite and it helps fill me up in a good amount of time. If I just took void opals I would be out to long and past my comfort zone and it would turn grind. Using a Python with 200t.

I was just picking up vo and it was to long between them to stay interesting.
 
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Dexadrinne

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I don't have a much of a problem finding VO's. Python with 180 cargo space. 70 limpets. Between 90-100 VO's per run. And that is all i go for. Takes me about 1/2 hour to 1 hour per run.
 

Stabby_Dave

Stabby_Dave
Where the hell are you mining? I can never get more than 20.

Found a pristine icy ring with zero traffic. Found a VO hotspot and started looking. 60 limpets later, 1 core rock.
 

Leadfoot

Leadfoot
Stabby_Dave said:
Where the hell are you mining? I can never get more than 20.

Found a pristine icy ring with zero traffic. Found a VO hotspot and started looking. 60 limpets later, 1 core rock.
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Same here. Even went way outside the bubble (half-way to the Witch Head), found pristine icy, VO Hotspot. Searching, found one (1) VO rock and dozens of everything else that I couldn't care less about. And they all glowed so nice and yellow and bright, too.
 

Dommarraa

Dommarraa
I have been to the Sam VO hotspot 3 Times with 100 limpets, and returned with :
0, 10 and 50t of VO.
So it's very variable, or just another go on the fruit machine. I thought we had made it very clear that fruit machines were not the game play we were looking for.
 
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tagos

tagos
I sucked at mining until I watched the Down To Earth Astronomy guides. After that it was just a matter of practice and getting better at spotting cores. They aren't always obvious but I'm getting better each time I go out.
 

Steve Solo

Steve Solo
Try going to uninhabited systems. I haven't had a problem finding core roids once you know what they look like. Also if you drop into a hot spot about 1000 km from the centre you are likely to miss most players
 

Stealthie

Stealthie
Dommarraa said:
I have been to the Sam VO hotspot 3 Times with 100 limpets, and returned with :
0, 10 and 50t of VO.
So it's very variable, or just another go on the fruit machine. I thought we had made it very clear that fruit machines were not the game play we were looking for.
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Don't forget, deep-core 'roids are supposed to be persistent (although I dunno if they respwan once a month or summat) so if you're not finding them it's cos they aren't where you're looking, rather than it being any fault of RNGesus.

The people who're seriously into this stuff are probably finding unpopulated sytems, where very few people will be mining, and making a note of when they were last there as well as the rough location of the 'roids they found so they can go back and farm the same places over and over.

Like I said, I've been making Cr40m/hr just by diving into any likely-looking site with an AspX or my T10.
When/if they fix the multi-chunk exploit, the profit from VO-mining will drop off but I'll just go back to using my AspX's as "prospector" ships and then be able to bring in my T10 when I find a good spot.
It's still pretty easy to earn anything from Cr20m to Cr50m per hour, using all the mining toys to get stuff like Painite and the other "-ites", without relying on VO's or exploits.
Mining will still be a good source of income, but we just won't get people making Cr100m/hr in a Cr15m AspX any more.
 

JetsonRING

JetsonRING
A few tips for derp-core mining . . .

Connor Caple said:
I liked the idea of the 'new mining' so I hit YouTube and watched a couple of videos (OA and another guy), kitted out a Cobra and headed out to try it. I spent more restocking the drilling missiles and collector/prospectors than I made from the resources. :D Took my 'haul' back to my home station to discover they wanted every other thing ending in -ite (Yes, probably even THAT one) except the two I'd got, and were paying over 250K a pop for all the other stuff and about 250 (NO K) for mine. Yes, it's a learning experience and I think I'll fit out a better ship, but man, they really hate me. Another thing - about 60% of the drill missiles I fired just failed completely - no "Hold on tight sugar, momma wants drilling tonight, don't let go just yet!" message (Well, went that way in my head ... ) They just hit the rock and went pop. Quite disappointing, bit like damp squibs on bonfire night. I guess I'm doing something wrong there too. (Maybe I'm just getting too old for this stuff and should stick to Space Trucking, which I'm actually good at. [haha] )
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(1) Are you using prospector limpets? Prospector limpets, when attached to a rock show you the fissure locations which tells you exactly where to place your seismic charges. Fill your cargo racks with limpets before heading out. better to jettison limpets to make room for more ores than to have to go back to a station for more limpets (or having to synthesize them).
(2) What are drilling missiles? Use Seismic Charges! Preferably mount the Seismic Charge launcher on a center-line hardpoint (yeah I know, the C3 doesn't have one but), that makes it easier to accurately aim. Note that 2, 3 or sometimes even 4 are needed to reach optimum yield, that the seismic charges are adjustable for yield and the optimum yield is in the blue band of the INFO panel. If you decide to use these, learn how so that you maximize yield and do not waste charges. PS: Seismic charges can be synthesized if you run out but you must have the correct materials on hand to synthesize them.
(3) Once you break up a rock release your collectors. Also go after the deposits that remain attached to the asteroid fragments using Abrasion Blasters. Multiple abrasion blasters, if they hit just right can release multiple fragments to be collected. A good ship for doing this is the Asp-X which can mount four abrasion blasters with good convergence (and the view is fantastic). A CMDR using multiple abrasion blasters can sometimes pick 20-30 units from a single asteroid!
(4) Use INARA: https://inara.cz/galaxy-commodities/ to help you determine the best place to sell your finds. Use the "Commodity Search" at the right of the page to find places near you that are buying and then click the "Max Sell" column to order the list by highest selling price. Keep in mind that depending on the time of day the list may not be accurate.

This is what a Corvette-sized haul of void opals looks like:

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Yes, it does say over 637 Million credits . . . o7
 
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dreadspectre

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Pretty much what @JetsonRING said, however, you don't really need to fill with Limpets before heading out. The trick when core mining is recognising the 'roids you are looking for. There is pretty much only 1 model for ice 'roids containing cores, and that looks kinda "popcorny". You also want it to glow yellow when pulse scanning. When I go Void Opal mining, I find having your ship lights on is a good idea (or use night vision, you need to visually scan your rock), pulse scan the rocks and when you see ones that are yellow and look like a piece of popcorn, head on over and scan visually. If there is a core, you will see very distinctive cracks on the surface. When you see these, fire the prospector to see what's there. If it's Opals, Low Temp Diamonds or Grandiderite then blow that sucker and reap the reward :). I also find, that in my case, that the brightness of the 'roid isn't generally that useful, I've seen many bright yellow "popcorn" shaped rocks that don't have cores so YMMV.

My mining python has 160 tom capacity and I go out with 70 limpets and always come home with some (and >100 ton of goodies). Sold 116 ton VO for 1.6 mil each last night - very nice :)
 
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