Well, saying it's massive is not the same as saying it's good implemented or bug free. For sure there was, there are and there will be instancing issues. Tons of these. But you can't ignore it's not the same playing in Open than playing in private group for example. You'll find people in SC, you'll find people in hot spots like Founder's Worlod, or Deciat, or CGs or wherever... Doing their own stuff, as in any other massive multiplayer game. And yes, you'll find a lot of instancing problems, but massive user interaction is there, and if it wasn't, weird things as griefing were not be possible in a more clasical multiplayer game with reduced player parties or not.
Meanwhile in No Man's Sky...
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NMS is a bit too "Mario Kart" for me (in the visual department and art style), but I am still really REALLY impressed with what Hello Games have pulled off. I'd love to see their developers make a separate SMS game - "Serious Man's Sky" which is loosely based on NMS principles but in a realistic galaxy (preferably the Milky Way) with realistic planets, solar systems, lifeforms, and spaceships. Kinda sounds like ED, but made by Hello Games (who I respect way more than Frontier at the moment).
I have about 1200 hrs into NMS in the past 3 months. Its hard to compare NMS with ED because they are so different and excel at different gameplay.
ED - mutli player / realism / flight model / starship combat / PvP / trading / mining
NMS - single player / fantasy / visuals / exocraft / base building / pets / freighters and frigates
There are 256 galaxies in NMS with 2-4 trillion systems per galaxy. While ED has realistic solar systems that correlate with the Milky Way. Apples vs Oranges
ED - mutli player / realism / flight model / starship combat / PvP / trading / mining
NMS - single player / fantasy / visuals / exocraft / base building / pets / freighters and frigates
There are 256 galaxies in NMS with 2-4 trillion systems per galaxy. While ED has realistic solar systems that correlate with the Milky Way. Apples vs Oranges
While I agree, it might have something to do with that FDev labeled it that themselves...
Not co-op... Not Multiplayer... MMO. That demands certain expectations (which they've obviously failed but when's that ever stopped them)
Their development seemed to be slightly slower before the huge Vulcan update 2 years ago. I believe they optimized the game engine for the purpose of easy feature expansions. They basically streamlined their tools to be able to do what they're now doing. Smart development, in other words. Most teams and development is more like "get it done, doesn't matter how or messy or spaghetti it turns out, just get it work for now" instead of "let's take some time and make the foundation right before we get flashy."
I'm in virtually the same boat: it is only the flight model blocking me from spending the bulk of my gaming time in NMS.So how many free updates is that now for NMS?
In many ways NMS and ED are the same game, coming at space combat/trade/exploration from different angles. Neither is perfect; if the two ever met and had a love child it would be. Give NMS a realistic flight mod and something BGS-like and I’d be gone.
You sum it up perfectly, the leadership in Frontier just don't care about ED. It is so disappointing to see a game that could be amazing with all that it could offer settle to be ok in some areas and mediocre in too many more.
I had that hope for a long while, but gave up. Frontier are not for changing.
NMS isn't remotely close to Elite Dangerous level when it comes to the space genre.
Elite Dangerous is KING when it comes to a realistic 1:1 scale galaxy, realistic distances, realistic flight model, realistic planet and star sizes, realistic ships, and detailed ships.
NMS to me is a cartoony kids game. I played it for 65 hours and haven't even cared to give it another chance, even with all of the free updates.
Elite Dangerous is KING when it comes to a realistic 1:1 scale galaxy, realistic distances, realistic flight model, realistic planet and star sizes, realistic ships, and detailed ships.
NMS to me is a cartoony kids game. I played it for 65 hours and haven't even cared to give it another chance, even with all of the free updates.
While I agree, it might have something to do with that FDev labeled it that themselves...
Not co-op... Not Multiplayer... MMO. That demands certain expectations (which they've obviously failed but when's that ever stopped them)
Yup, just another example of them claiming something and not delivering IMO.
Ok so NMS has fully procgen planets and systems, 200+ galaxies to explore, Been walking around planets since day one, base building, loads of ships, vehicles, mech suits, capital ships, player controlled fleets, pets, customisation out the whazzoo, missions and community based campaigns. And I'm sure a few more that I've missed off the top of my head.
And on top of all that Hello Games have done all the updates and improvements after their initial botched start for free and actually delivering on what they promised...
Your issue with the style of it I get, it's the main reason I don't play as much as ED.
The game itself when you objectively compare features and dev commitment etc totally smashes ED and FDev. And from most of the player numbers etc NMS is very similar from reported figures for general play, ED beats it on release spikes usually though.
My problem with it is it's not a space simulator. So on top of the art style, there's nothing realistic about NMS's star systems or planets. They don't rotate, there's no gravity, no flight model, not even a star to orbit around!
And that is a very fair point and very good personal reason not to play it.
It's also the main reason why I have only logged about 1/3rd the hours I have in ED into NMS, that being said that's still over 1000 hrs.... I play them both for very different reasons but it hard not to compare the features and developers of the two games... And if I do that objectively NMS is a total powerhouse.
In all honesty if NMS added a decently physical flight model I'd probably put ED to bed...
If they revamped their planet generation system and added a physics model I'd probably join you! I don't think they could ever add a proper flight model because there isn't any physics in their game.
I imagine if they tried to add them, it would break everything you mentioned above! But I can agree with you, NMS is VERY good at what it does. Which is a survival/crafting game with LIGHT exploration aspects. (They can only do so much with their proc-gen system.)
LOL, ED doesn't have a realistic ships or a realistic flight model (even with FA off - although that can at least feel a little realistic with FA off). Now, the flight model is FUN (except for the absurd and very unrealistic yaw/roll stuff) and IMO certainly a better flight model than NMS.
The galaxy itself (planet sizes, etc) is cool and it's the most "realistic" part of the game. I just wish we could do more with it.
To me the ultimate game wouldn't be ED + NMS... It would be a cross between KSP and NMS.
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For me Ultimate Space Game would be: flightmodel and ship systems from Rogue System, details and ship interiors from SC, planetary exploration from NMS, and ships, galaxy, atmosphere and everything else from EDO.
4K, 60 fps constant, great aa, dlss. It doesnt crash and is stable enough that i dont have to worry about it saving my progress. ED offers none of that.
In comparison im liking NMS better. Its no Elite Dangerous, but these days, neither is Elite Dangerous.
And btw frontier, thats 30 USD that i might have spent in the frontier store and that 30 USD was a much better value than what i spent on EDO.
In comparison im liking NMS better. Its no Elite Dangerous, but these days, neither is Elite Dangerous.
And btw frontier, thats 30 USD that i might have spent in the frontier store and that 30 USD was a much better value than what i spent on EDO.
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Closing as a duplicate of https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/the-no-mans-sky-thread.9130/
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