Mic Turner retconned? Then why name a base after him?

DNA-Decay

DNA-Decay
For an Alliance flag waver - I'm pretty slow on the uptake sometimes.
The CG back in October created an Alliance base called Mic Turner.
I'd never heard of the dude: http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Mic_Turner

Turns out he's a co-founder of the Alliance and part of the end game story of Elite Frontiers.
Michael Brookes has said that the ending with the Alliance giving an anti virus to the Thargoids has been retconned out.

I guess I'm wondering two things:
One is which bits of Alliance lore are out?
Big slabs or just the way that the last game ended?
(Alioth shipyards anyone?)

And the second: Is naming the planetary base after Mic Turner significant or just a tip of the hat to old time players?
Like - is the fungus life form at that base collectible and maybe part of the Thargoid story?


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Mathew of Tegalus

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DNA-Decay said:
For an Alliance flag waver - I'm pretty slow on the uptake sometimes.
The CG back in October created an Alliance base called Mic Turner.
I'd never heard of the dude: http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Mic_Turner

Turns out he's a co-founder of the Alliance and part of the end game story of Elite Frontiers.
Michael Brookes has said that the ending with the Alliance giving an anti virus to the Thargoids has been retconned out.

I guess I'm wondering two things:
One is which bits of Alliance lore are out?
Big slabs or just the way that the last game ended?
(Alioth shipyards anyone?)

And the second: Is naming the planetary base after Mic Turner significant or just a tip of the hat to old time players?
Like - is the fungus life form at that base collectible and maybe part of the Thargoid story?


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Congrats on reaching the same issue as me; utter confusion as to what is real lore, what isn't real lore, what is actual lore and what is a load of nonsense. It's shambolically organised IMO and they only ever seem to make the slightest bit of effort to clarify it when something major happens I.e the galnet on hyperspace after first contact. Drew hardly updates his lore guide section and seems to follow the above, which kinda makes it pointless IMO. I'd love to invest myself in it but in its current state it's extremely off putting.
 
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Apos

Apos
Mic Turner did more than just take part in the virus cure delivery, so retconning that does not take away his supposed legacy that leads to a base named after him. He was one of the founding fathers of the Alliance alongside Meredith. I think that's enough even without the virus storyline.

On the other hand ,retconning the virus storyline does take away the reason why the Alioth Shipyards got bombed as payback for helping the thargoids, so that's something that should be clarified instead.
 

Goose4291

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Goose4291
Apos said:
On the other hand, retconning the virus storyline does take away the reason why the Alioth Shipyards got bombed as payback for helping the thargoids, so that's something that should be clarified instead.
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I dont remember the bombing. You got a source for that? :)
 

number2301

number2301
The lore situation is easy but made complex by players desperate for more information!

You're best to look at ED as a soft re-boot. That is, unless a previous element of lore has been specifically and explicitly stated to be canon by Mike Brookes or someone else at FDev, it's not canon. So it might be true, or it might not.
 

Apos

Apos
Goose4291 said:
I dont remember the bombing. You got a source for that? :)
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I can't find the source now, but it was a post about mentioning how Alioth has the "old" shipyards, implying they are no longer functional due to damage.

So if you want to take that with a pinch of salt, be my guest.

In the end of the day, we have no idea what the shipyards are doing, where the capital ships they produced (Valiant class as they called them) are or whatever is going on with them.
 
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Sapyx

Sapyx
"MIc Turner" was conceived in the FFE lore as the person whom the planet "Turner's World" in the Alioth system was named after. In FFE, Alioth was a procedurally-generated system; the names of the cities, starports and planets in Alioth were therefore randomly pick-and-mixed off a list of "Alliance names". The lore written for the FFE storyline picked Turner's World as the capital planet of the Alliance (probably because it had more surface starports than Argent's Claim had), so they made up a story as to who this world was named after, and wove that story into the overall FFE plotline.

The Alioth system has been fully migrated across to the ED universe, virtually unchanged (though some of the space station names have been changed) so presumably, "Mic Turner" is still the person that Turner's World is named after, and presumably still a founding figure of the Alliance, worthy of additional recognition by having a deep-space outpost named after him, too.
 

Cmdr Zach

Cmdr Zach
Mathew of Tegalus said:
?...Drew hardly updates his lore guide section and seems to follow the above, which kinda makes it pointless IMO. I'd love to invest myself in it but in its current state it's extremely off putting.
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Drew still maintains his blog entries on his website, and I believe has made two posts already this year about Elite canon lore. One about Thargoids and one about hyperdrive technology.

He deleted all his previous lore entries when frontier announced nothing before Dangerous was canon. He has since been more involved with the storytelling in game, creating community goals and Galnet posts, adding some flesh to the bare bones that is the official elite dangerous lore as it stands.

This game has been severely lacking in background officially, and a decent updated timeline. Drew seems to be doing all he can to rectify this, albeit from outside the company and under an NDA.
 

DNA-Decay

DNA-Decay
Does Meredith Argent have something named after her in game?

I can't see "Turner's World" or "Argent's Claim" in Alioth at eddb.io or do they list that as just Alioth 1 & 2?
 

Sapyx

Sapyx
The planet names are not in the trade-based databases because there's nothing landable on the planets themselves to trade at yet; these databases tend not to name the planet a station is orbiting. But if you go in-game and open the system map for Alioth and scroll over the three terraformed moons of Alioth 5, you'll see they are still named the same as they were in FFE: Wicca's World, Turner's World and Argent's Claim.
 

Snarfbuckle

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So what IS the canon now?

- No Thargoid "war"?
- No virus used against Thargoids?
- No cure to Thargoids?

Are we at a complete "soft" reboot where we meet aliens the FIRST time?

It would be nice with some clarifications.
 

Darth Ender

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I'm guessing this is just member berries. Like basically everything else frontier is key on making money off of.

Because obviously they aren't making money off of quality networking code.

Why is simple chat in this game an issue? All you need to do is be half as useful as IRC and you are golden.

I'm going with they just messed up or sold the member berries. That seems to be what FD cares most about
 

smiths121

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Darth Ender said:
I'm guessing this is just member berries. Like basically everything else frontier is key on making money off of.

Because obviously they aren't making money off of quality networking code.

Why is simple chat in this game an issue? All you need to do is be half as useful as IRC and you are golden.

I'm going with they just messed up or sold the member berries. That seems to be what FD cares most about
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Other than the legal obligation to return value to shareholders,and the fact chat does not work whilst the other player is hyperspacing (which if you get an indiot with a dodgy connection/router can be minutes), what does not work about chat?

Simon
 

Sapyx

Sapyx
Snarfbuckle said:
So what IS the canon now?

- No Thargoid "war"?
- No virus used against Thargoids?
- No cure to Thargoids?

Are we at a complete "soft" reboot where we meet aliens the FIRST time?

It would be nice with some clarifications.
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Thargoid war: yes, it happened, though many people seem to be convinced that the 200 year old war was nothing but a giant hoax. There was a Galnet history article about it. Link to Galnet article.

Virus used against Thargoids: as far as we know, yes. This was, reputedly, why the war stopped. See the reference to the mycoid virus in the Galnet article.

Cure to Thargoids: as far as has been officially stated, no. The Player "curing the Thargoids" was the main playable storyline in the previous FFE game. There was, apparently, an alternate storyline intended to be included in FFE but because of a bug was unplayable: that the Player, instead of bringing a cure to the Thargoids, brought the coup de grace of a new, improved mycoid virus and wiped out the remaining Thargoid fleet. FD's lead developers have strongly hinted that, if either of these two plotlines are to be considered canonical, it is that second, unplayable one. The referenced date of "3250" in the Galnet article correlates to the FFE game time.

So in ED history, a human was never given control of a Thargoid scout ship, the Alliance does not have the aforementioned Thargoid ship stashed away someplace where they are researching it to extract its secrets, the Thargoids never established peaceful up-front dialogue with the humans, and the Emperor never added "Ally to the Aliens" to his long list of grandiose titles.
 
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Snarfbuckle

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Sapyx said:
Thargoid war: yes, it happened, though many people seem to be convinced that the 200 year old war was nothing but a giant hoax. There was a Galnet history article about it. Link to Galnet article.

Virus used against Thargoids: as far as we know, yes. This was, reputedly, why the war stopped. See the reference to the mycoid virus in the Galnet article.

Cure to Thargoids: as far as has been officially stated, no. The Player "curing the Thargoids" was the main playable storyline in the previous FFE game. There was, apparently, an alternate storyline intended to be included in FFE but because of a bug was unplayable: that the Player, instead of bringing a cure to the Thargoids, brought the coup de grace of a new, improved mycoid virus and wiped out the remaining Thargoid fleet. FD's lead developers have strongly hinted that, if either of these two plotlines are to be considered canonical, it is that second, unplayable one. The referenced date of "3250" in the Galnet article correlates to the FFE game time.

So in ED history, a human was never given control of a Thargoid scout ship, the Alliance does not have the aforementioned Thargoid ship stashed away someplace where they are researching it to extract its secrets, the Thargoids never established peaceful up-front dialogue with the humans, and the Emperor never added "Ally to the Aliens" to his long list of grandiose titles.
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Which also means a few possible outcomes.

- The original Thargoid threat was averted and they have been "cast out" of the galaxy

- The ruins we have now COULD be Thargoid navigational markers we have managed to activate that helps the Thargoid to navigate here
- The barnacles could be signals that wake up hibernating Thargoids
- Thargoids have managed to remove the virus and are again poking into the galaxy
- Another race entirely and we merely THINK they are thargoids due to past game history

Point 3 seems the most plausible and it could then be that the Thargoid race have now been fractured for a long time due to the Mycoid virus that locked them out of hyperspace.
 

Deleted member 38366

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For me (personally), Canonn is what happened in all the previous Games. Non-Rewritable history due to one simple reason : current Year is 3303.
The only way to change that would be to have placed our current Game world back into the 32xx era. That they didn't, so what happened happened, regardless of what vanity fair GALnet articles attempt to establish.

- Thargoids suffered a devastating defeat
- a single Human, supported by the Alliance, saved the Thargoids from genocide
- Alliance at least had Thargoid Ships for analysis

What happened in the meantime, however... Now that's a whole different story. That's a blank spot Frontier can fill as they wish.
It's also the only way to "bend" or "shape" things into the direction they want in order not to contradict actual history of ELITE and look like lore-ignoring lunatics doing so.

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I think I overheard Frontier stating something like "The original Thargoids were a mere scouting party that went missing. Now the Thargoids wonder what happened."
This "rescaling" of things will of course work and still keep all doors open.

Bigger Thargoid Investigation ships can arrive and look around.
They can find out what happened to their scouts and there can still be a full-scale invasion by unhappy Thargoids after that.
All still fitting the existing events.
 
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