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Michael Bay's Transformers is the weirdest stuff ever - surpasses David Lynch

So, they are making yet another Transformers movie.. holy heck!

I am absolutely dumbfounded by these movies! I get many things - I watched for hours those "flat earth" videos on youtube and felt less confused by those than after a Transformers movie.

Watching these movies, I am absolutely in awe how much of an gargantuan overcomplicated mess they are, and how much weird garbage is included into them. It's insane! Seriously, it would have been ultra-easy to write a sane script for a Transformers movie: Robot aliens (good/bad factions) come to earth and lay waste to everything. Basically Independence Day with robots. The end.

Now you might say: "Hey, that's exactly what the Transformers movie are, mindless explosions and actions". WRONG! That's the main problem with them: If it would be just corny action, I would be the last one to complain.

No, this crap with filled with myriad of ridiculous sideplots (drug-addicted dogs, weird daddy-issues, coming-of-age teen garbage), American Pie humour, weird SERIOUS WAR MOVIE/X-Files segments interspersed with jokes and on and on. The "robots beating each other to pulp"-stuff makes only like 5% of these stupid movies. The rest is pure ABSURDITY. Absurdity on a whole new level in cinema.

I especially "like" the military parts. Those are absolutely INSANE, because they look like they are lifted straight from Black Hawk Down, soldiers are screaming and dying, mayhem everywhere.. AND CUT TO ROBOT HUMPING A LEG. CUT TO CLICHED INDIAN IN A CALL-CENTER.

What the heck is the tone supposed to be of those scenes? Same with the "government conspiracy" stuff (The agency John Turturro is head of). They are filmed like something straight out of X-Files or 24, except for the American Pie clips cut between them (inane jones, fat nerd jokes, masturbation jokes, ing robots, you name it). It's as if in the middle of 24, Jack Bauer would pull his peener out, stick it into a pie and immediately afterwards torture a terrorist as if nothing happened.

I was absolutely in awe of the "Bumblebee captured" scene in the first movie. I couldn't believe my eyes and ears. This was played like the standard "poor misunderstood being mishandled by the evil goberment" (you know, E.T., King Kong..) scene, complete with DRAMATIC music and a boy crying for his best friend ("BUMBLEBEEE!!!!!!! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Except that it's in a movie with ing (or ejaculating) robots! You know, for such a scene to work, the captured subject has to be endearing. E.T. was endearing, sexual deviants from space aren't. I watched the cartoon as a kid, and I am pretty sure the bots weren't creeps back then. The robots in these movie are the least sympathetic robots I've ever seen in a film! And a skilled film maker can easily make mechanical beings that you care for: I can vividly remember a movie by Wes Craven where a boy builds a robot and that robot gets destroyed by an evil neighbor with a shotgun. That scene was devastating! You saw how the boy was building that robot, how he made a bond with it etc. Another example: "Miracle on 8th Street". It's the one where cute little robotic UFOs help a bunch of people against their landlord. If you felt nothing when one of the UFOs was beaten up by a thug, then you're a heartless POS.

But the Bayformers? I couldn't care less if all of them would have been nuked, Autobots and Decepticons alike (which made the "they are people too!"-lines in the sequels really amusing). Except for some corny Optimus Prime speeches and inane one-liners by the other CGI-splashes, what stood out the most about them were their weird sexual innuendos: Urinating on humans (or maybe ejaculating on them, given given the "lubricating" reference), dry-humping the legs of humans, showing their testicles and bunch of other crap I probably forgot about. They -probed some people too much I guess and should be rotting in some space-alien-sex-offender prison.

Also, it absolutely didn't help that they looked like pieces of trash metal. Literally: Garbage. Somehow Michael Bay managed to make giant robots beating the living crap out of each boring, because you can't make out where one robot begins and the other ends. Them fighting looks as if 3D-Studio bugged out.

The best scene in all of this mad franchise was the glimpse of Cybertron in the first movie. That was awesome: Ten seconds of Robot war (with projectiles, so it didn't look that bad) with no fart-jokes and teen crap - that was the movie I wanted to see - where is it? Instead we got convoluted crap on a whole new level. My mind blurred after each movie, I had no idea what was happening after a while:

Dogs addicted to weed, masturbation, WAR, men in black, ancient prophecies, NASA conspiracy, cold war stuff, ancient civilisations stuff, politics talk, giant robots smashing pyramids with their huge balls, annoying parents, chosen one, military grunts accidentally walking into the wrong movie, every military/police/college cliche you can find, robot heaven, X-files, bleeding robots, senile robots, ghetto-hood robots, hackers, hot blonde hackers, fat nerd hackers, Mark Wahlberg's kids wanting to do each other, STUFF.

Too much garbage STUFF! Too much words in the script. Shooting a robot to well-made CGI bits and commenting it with "Hasta la Vista Baby!" is awesome - shoooting a robot trash can and talking about how your new underwear sucks isn't.

Sure, they are based on a toy-line and an 80s cartoon, but somehow it's possible to make a good film out of a invincible flying man shooting lasers from his eyes, but a story about a robot war just has to have drugged out mums running wild in college to make it work.

And all this filmed in ultra-hardcore ORANGE/TEAL too boot: Carrot people!

This franchise is insane. Some of it could very well fit into a David Lynchian "Black Lodge" and it wouldn't be too far out there, except that he is able to hit the right tone with his weirdness, in opposite to Transformers.

I am astounded how something like the Transformers movies were made. They are not corny action movies (the robot-action scenes make up only a tiny fraction of it) - They are a mess overfilled to the brim with WEIRD SENSELESS TASTELESS CRAP to unbearable extend. How could expert film makers greenlight this? And why are there so many sequels? It boggles my mind.
 
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Taking a massive leap in the dark here...

So you don't like the movies then?
 
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Have some REP. I got much more entertainment from your review than I would ever have gotten from the movie (had I chosen to go watch it).
 

verminstar

Banned
I would have a different point of view simply because I grew up with the original transformers in the 80s. The movies take a lot of details and some of the plotlines from the original lore, but thats what happens in movies based on old comics. The first was good I thought, even though the storyline of how and why they came here was absolutely nothing like what was in the movie. In that regard, it was merely entertaining although I will never forgive them fer killing Jazz...a character who was always one of the central characters in the originals.

Some little nuggets in there that reference original storylines...Optimus and Megatron were indeed brothers once before the war between them started who drifted apart because Cybertron was running out of resources and they disagreed about the solution. Optimus Primes "spark of leadership" was originally called the "creation matrix" and was eventually passed onto another autobot called Ultra Magnus. After an ambush by you know who, a twist of fate saw a young autobot called Hot Rod merge with the creation matrix and become Rodimus Prime.

Meanwhile in the future, Megatron is captured by the planet killer and becomes Galvatron. Two others under his command called Cyclonus and Scourge take command of whats left of the decepticons after killing Starscream who had finally fulfilled his dream of becoming the leader. Than launch an all out assault on whats left of the autobots...Rodimus thinks hes killed Galvatron but isnt sure because his body was never found after their big showdown, and takes a few old soldiers called Kup and...my memory fails but he was fast as hell, and embark on a search of the galaxy to try and find him.

Gets complicated after that but as ye can see...nothing like the movies whatsoever. Simply not the same storyline but does borrow bits n pieces so in that respect, its just mindless entertainment which isnt bad at making money, but its not special like it used to be ^
 

Minonian

Banned
Be honest i did not had good opinion about the Transformers movies, and i don't think this going to change, Mindless CGI orgy with some story(ish) something to give background the effects. And yet? I seen all. Why? Mostly because of memories. I was seen all the original movies, + bough the comics. I liked as a kid, but what I'm interested in? How long the CGI and name can take a piece of trash like this movies in his back, before it's reputation ruined?
 
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It's Michael Bay. That says it all. He knows he shoots crap, and his target audience is teenage boys with no taste in anything whatsoever. I'm sure he admitted that in some of his interviews. He's a total joke of a director.
 
So, they are making yet another Transformers movie.. holy heck!

I've only seent the first movie. I was waiting for the 1st Transformers movie for months and really was looking forward to it. I liked the cartoon series and had a C64 game which was cool and had great music.

The first few minutes of the movie were ........ WoooooooW! Remember? When the helicopter approaches the military base, tansforms into a Robot and blasts everything away. That Was So Cool! The sound the one of the explosions did when the ring compression wave blasted everything away in a circular bang. Wow, that was soooooo cool! Exectly what I imagined the movie to be.

What followed then ... Was a pain in the bottom. This attempt to make the movie "funny" and let the killer robot machines use slang and funny jokes so much destroyed everything. It totally ruind the movie. This was almost as bad as Independence Day. Great bluepring from the 1950s(?), bat update. The worst.

And what on earth ...? Why do they use swords? Who thought that that would somehow fit. They totally crush the initial idea of the original series. Am waiting for some magic and arcane like in Diablo 3 for the next movie. Maaaaaaan ... [big grin]
 
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Then you won't be pleased by the news there are FOURTEEN Transformers movies in development.

I've ranted enough about Michael Bay in other places on the internet. I really hate not just his movies but the man himself. He comes across like a completely arrogant [word that was removed]. Most of the complaints levelled at Bay revolve around his plotless movies and obsession with explosions, but what I really hate about him is the misogyny. Seriously, he treats women appalingly in his films.

Here is how he treats Rosie Huntington for her first scene in Transformers 3. It's borderline soft-you know what in a PG-13 movie.

[video=youtube;Z1KeWcJt6XE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1KeWcJt6XE[/video]

Compare that with a proper director, George Miller, introducing the same actress in his movie. Bear in mind here she is playing a sex slave in a R-rated movie strictly for us grown ups. (1.18 in)

[video=youtube;SuMO_GN9zqw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuMO_GN9zqw[/video]

He uses lighting and environment for modesty, and introduces an actual character to the narrative, not some eye candy for horny teenage boys. She's not the "prize" for our (male) hero to get after he vanquishes the bad guys, as virtually every other female is in virtually every other Bay movie.

[video=youtube;2THVvshvq0Q]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2THVvshvq0Q[/video]

I really really really really really hate hate hate him. HATE!
 
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It's Michael Bay. That says it all. He knows he shoots crap, and his target audience is teenage boys with no taste in anything whatsoever. I'm sure he admitted that in some of his interviews. He's a total joke of a director.

The Rock was a pretty good action movie, then he went downhill.

I am pretty sure, if I were still a teenager, I would still hate these movies. Hyper-boring "robots hiding in the garden"-scenes or how about the "dad argues with cliched hood-car salesman for ten minutes" part .. or the classic "drugged middle aged mum on campus" .. yech! MIND-NUMBING.

Michael Bay shooting for teenage boys would be actually an improvement - these garbage movies are actually LIGHT on action (I think the "trademark" robot-fight scenes make up only 20 minutes combined). They are mostly filled with boring bizarre crap.

Even the action is lackluster, because those bots turn into unrecognizable heaps of garbage when they bump into each other. A mess on all fronts.
 
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They've been going on about a Forbidden Planet remake for a while now. If Bay is allowed anywhere near that Hollywood shall burn.

He's not got his hands on Dredd or the new Dune movies, both of which he might have had, so there is much to be thankful for.
 
They've been going on about a Forbidden Planet remake for a while now. If Bay is allowed anywhere near that Hollywood shall burn.

He's not got his hands on Dredd or the new Dune movies, both of which he might have had, so there is much to be thankful for.

Are they actually trying to put Dune on screen again? Well I can see this going wrong in so many ways.
 
Are they actually trying to put Dune on screen again? Well I can see this going wrong in so many ways.

Ohhh yes.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/02/01/official-dune-reboot-legendary-pictures-director/
Denis Villeneuve is not a bad choice. Arrival and Sicario were not all terrible.

From what I've seen I think they're going to go the Lord Rings route and make a trilogy.

EDIT: This raises an interesting question. Are Michael Bay movies worse than the David Lynch Dune movie? That's a really tough one.
 
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Minonian

Banned
They've been going on about a Forbidden Planet remake for a while now. If Bay is allowed anywhere near that Hollywood shall burn.

He's not got his hands on Dredd or the new Dune movies, both of which he might have had, so there is much to be thankful for.
The lesson? There are worst directors than J.J. Abrams.
Actually he is capable to make a decent job, it's just assembly line commercial instead of real value.
 
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verminstar

Banned
I've only seent the first movie. I was waiting for the 1st Transformers movie for months and really was looking forward to it. I liked the cartoon series and had a C64 game which was cool and had great music.

The first few minutes of the movie were ........ WoooooooW! Remember? When the helicopter approaches the military base, tansforms into a Robot and blasts everything away. That Was So Cool! The sound the one of the explosions did when the ring compression wave blasted everything away in a circular bang. Wow, that was soooooo cool! Exectly what I imagined the movie to be.

What followed then ... Was a pain in the bottom. This attempt to make the movie "funny" and let the killer robot machines use slang and funny jokes so much destroyed everything. It totally ruind the movie. This was almost as bad as Independence Day. Great bluepring from the 1950s(?), bat update. The worst.

And what on earth ...? Why do they use swords? Who thought that that would somehow fit. They totally crush the initial idea of the original series. Am waiting for some magic and arcane like in Diablo 3 for the next movie. Maaaaaaan ... [big grin]

In the original series, swords and bladed weapons were much more common because most weapons could be countered and were really only useful fer slowing opponents down. Swords however could remove limbs.

Point of note...the most feared mechanoid bounty hunter in the known galaxy at the time was called Deaths Head, a non transforming robot from another planet. His primary weapon was a spike mace with all other weapons being secondary. Obviously close quarters combat was a speciality of robots, as they were near indestructible over distance.

Another point of note...both Megatron and Optimus Prime were both gladiators in the arena with blade weapons only before the war broke out. Thats why bladed weapons are normally a standard built in feature as it was part of their old customs and traditions, similar to officers in our armies today who still carry swords mostly for the drill square and dressage.

In using swords, its one the rare occasions where it nods to the the original series where swords and edged weapons that incorporated technology into them were much more commonly used. The weapons themselves were normally quite specialized and specifically targetted certain systems as opposed to being just a simple blaster with edged weapons being the one that makes the kill itself.

And ye, theres loads more movies in the works...how much will reflect the original remains to be seen although rumor has it they are working on a cybertron transformers only story with no humans or earth at all. It actually takes place some 400 thousand years before mankind crawled out of their caves and is like a prequel in that it tells the story of how the war started and the evnts leading upto it.

As a lifelong fan, Ill watch them of course...but whether or not they any good shall remain to be seen ^
 
In the original series, swords and bladed weapons were much more common because most weapons could be countered and were really only useful fer slowing opponents down. Swords however could remove limbs.

Point of note...the most feared mechanoid bounty hunter in the known galaxy at the time was called Deaths Head, a non transforming robot from another planet. His primary weapon was a spike mace with all other weapons being secondary. Obviously close quarters combat was a speciality of robots, as they were near indestructible over distance.

Another point of note...both Megatron and Optimus Prime were both gladiators in the arena with blade weapons only before the war broke out. Thats why bladed weapons are normally a standard built in feature as it was part of their old customs and traditions, similar to officers in our armies today who still carry swords mostly for the drill square and dressage.

In using swords, its one the rare occasions where it nods to the the original series where swords and edged weapons that incorporated technology into them were much more commonly used. The weapons themselves were normally quite specialized and specifically targetted certain systems as opposed to being just a simple blaster with edged weapons being the one that makes the kill itself.

And ye, theres loads more movies in the works...how much will reflect the original remains to be seen although rumor has it they are working on a cybertron transformers only story with no humans or earth at all. It actually takes place some 400 thousand years before mankind crawled out of their caves and is like a prequel in that it tells the story of how the war started and the evnts leading upto it.

As a lifelong fan, Ill watch them of course...but whether or not they any good shall remain to be seen ^


Aha, didn't know about all the swords and stuff. However, Michael Bays' movies are terrible. It's terrible Hollywood eye candy for kids and half grown up men.
 
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They've been going on about a Forbidden Planet remake for a while now. If Bay is allowed anywhere near that Hollywood shall burn.

He's not got his hands on Dredd or the new Dune movies, both of which he might have had, so there is much to be thankful for.

Forbidden Planet is one of the greatest movies of all time. You keep your eye on Michael Bay and I'll bring the matches just in case.
 

verminstar

Banned
Aha, didn't know about all the swords and stuff. However, Michael Bays' movies are terrible. It's terrible Hollywood eye candy for kids and half grown up men.

And I love them because they dont take themselves overly seriously...seen it with my daughter last night and it was ok...not great but ok. Amusing in places because transformers are like big kids themselves and always were even in the originals.

Storyline wise...the "quintessa" or whatever she was called was originally a character from a completely different storyline and wasnt cybertron born at all but came from the planet Junk where another old favourite called Wreck Gar came from. Wreck Gar is what the current Bumblebee was based on because Wreck Gar always used old human soundbytes to communicate everything because he had become addicted to daytime television . The ability bee had in this movie was originally also Wreck Gars special ability in that he was literally impossible to kill.

Bee and Optimus have indeed been lifelong friends from before the war...actually really happy the movie nodded at this as its a very relevant detail from the transformers universe. In terms of age, optimus was considered young when the war between autobots and decepticons started and optimus and bee would have been soldiers who fought side by side...it was only later after the original prime was killed that Optimus became the new prime with bumblebee being his most loyal soldier. Optimus started out his life as personal bodyguard to the original prime and was betrayed by his own brother megatron when the war began. Megatron was also a bodyguard who was ordered to sacrifice his own life to protect the prime, but refused and killed the prime himself.

The Unikron storyline...thats a downer didnt see that coming. Unikron was the original planet killer who captured megatron and changed him into galvatron, and eventually changed bumblebee into goldbug. He originally attacked cybertron first and then earth...at no point was unikrom ever literally earth itself. That, I wasnt expecting. Fer one thing, unikron wasnt actually much bigger than our moon and had the ability to transform, and had only passing interest in earth because it was a biological planet...not very tasty to a planet killer who craved mechanical planets above all others.

In the original, both autobots and decepticons were forced to fight side by side against a common enemy...the ceasefire lasted as long as the storyline lasted obviously, but after unikron was defeated, both factions were left more or less even and in stalemate. Oddly enough, it was galvatron who actually destroyed half of his own army because he had a robot tantrum and did it himself in blind rage...his transformation into galvatron left his mind in a very fragile state lets just say.

Oh and just as earth wasnt the only planet with organic intelligent life, neither was cybertron the only planet with mechanical life. The original story was that megatron and then galvatron wanted to convert cybertron itself into a mobile death star type thing and dominate the galaxy while using earth to power it using energon they harvested from our planet core.

There were many robot characters who were not transformers and came from other planets...still havent seen any yet in the movies but fairly sure we will. Oh and there was an unconfirmed rumour that the creation matrix itself or spark of leadership that optimus carries in his chest is actually an infinity stone from the marvel universe. If ye hark back to the first movie, the "allspark" was a cube which looks identical to the cube infinity stone in the first Captain America movie. Coincidence? Never say never in movie land ^
 
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