Milkyway star phenomenon

[Sjokoprins]

Maybe there could be nova star systems and actually supernova star remnants? I'm missing these from the ed universe.
also could it be possible to create user events like the birthing of a nova or better: supernova?
That would be cool!

 

[varonica]

Maybe there could be nova star systems and actually supernova star remnants? I'm missing these from the ed universe.
also could it be possible to create user events like the birthing of a nova or better: supernova?
That would be cool!

The stars can't change, that's build into the Stellar Forge, things like Nova and Supernova are very short events, around 100 seconds so would be very uninteresting because 99.999% of the player base would miss it altogether. Nova and supernova star remnants are neutron stars and black holes, which are obviously in game. Nebula are also often caused by star explosions, the Crab Nebula is a Supernova Remnant, so these things apart from the actual explosion which takes about a minute and a half are all actually in game already.

 

[Sjokoprins]

Its a computer game, ofcourse you can!!!!!! the question is do they want to. You can create an supernova event and a storyline building up to the supernova event and afterwards create a new nebula with for instance new materials for new technology. Just a thought. I think people are playing ED to discover new systems and phenomena. Not only pirating or mining.
Expand your mind!

 

[theBreadSultan]

The stars can't change, that's build into the Stellar Forge, things like Nova and Supernova are very short events, around 100 seconds so would be very uninteresting because 99.999% of the player base would miss it altogether. Nova and supernova star remnants are neutron stars and black holes, which are obviously in game. Nebula are also often caused by star explosions, the Crab Nebula is a Supernova Remnant, so these things apart from the actual explosion which takes about a minute and a half are all actually in game already.

100 seconds for a super nova duration.....

Are you sure about that? Because I'm pretty sure historical records indicate otherwise

 

[varonica]

Its a computer game, ofcourse you can!!!!!! the question is do they want to. You can create an supernova event and a storyline building up to the supernova event and afterwards create a new nebula with for instance new materials for new technology. Just a thought. I think people are playing ED to discover new systems and phenomena. Not only pirating or mining.
Expand your mind!

No you can't, all the stars in the galaxy are fixed as they are, they can't just create new nebula and matter, that would require the Stellar Forge to be re-run and lose everything that everyone has currently discovered in the galaxy. You need to read up a bit on how the galaxy in Elite Dangerous is generated before saying things like that.

Oh yes, you don't know me so I will forgive you last sentence this time!

 

[varonica]

100 seconds for a super nova duration.....

Are you sure about that? Because I'm pretty sure historical records indicate otherwise

Yep, around 100 seconds. The Astronomy division of Cornell University seems to agree with me so I don't think that's in question. What you see with your eyes isn't the explosion, it's the expanding cloud of gas and the leading shock wave of the explosion being spread out over time as it travels through the galaxy. Because different particles and debris travel at different speeds it appears that the explosions lasts many days, but it doesn't actually, it just gets smeared out over the vast distances between you and the explosion.

 

[theBreadSultan]

Yep, around 100 seconds. The Astronomy division of Cornell University seems to agree with me so I don't think that's in question. What you see with your eyes isn't the explosion, it's the expanding cloud of gas and the leading shock wave of the explosion being spread out over time as it travels through the galaxy. Because different particles and debris travel at different speeds it appears that the explosions lasts many days, but it doesn't actually, it just gets smeared out over the vast distances between you and the explosion.

So what you're saying then....is that for all gameplay perspectives they last longer than 100 seconds, as after that you have the propagation of various shockwaves and particle waves.

Also, it could totally be done with the existing engine. They won't, because it's custom comment and that goes against the top line 'vision'... But it's doable, and could be really cool

 

[Sjokoprins]

No you can't, all the stars in the galaxy are fixed as they are, they can't just create new nebula and matter, that would require the Stellar Forge to be re-run and lose everything that everyone has currently discovered in the galaxy. You need to read up a bit on how the galaxy in Elite Dangerous is generated before saying things like that.

Oh yes, you don't know me so I will forgive you last sentence this time!

Sorry for that.
I still think it can be done but then you need to think positively. Otherwise the stellar forge is a bit boring. Maybe needs an upgrade?

 

[Sjokoprins]

So what you're saying then....is that for all gameplay perspectives they last longer than 100 seconds, as after that you have the propagation of various shockwaves and particle waves.

Also, it could totally be done with the existing engine. They won't, because it's custom comment and that goes against the top line 'vision'... But it's doable, and could be really cool

Indeed. It would shake up nearby systems!

 

[Sjokoprins]

Or introduce a new spacefaring civilization who were tampering with some stars....just a thought. Enough examples in sience fiction novels...

 

[varonica]

Also, it could totally be done with the existing engine. They won't, because it's custom comment and that goes against the top line 'vision'... But it's doable, and could be really cool

No they can't because of the way the galaxy simulation is created, time doesn't pass in the galaxy. Park your ship at Sol and look at a nebula in the starfield, it's thousands, maybe tens of thousands of light years away in the galaxy, in theory what you are seeing with your eyes should be nothing like the nebula looks now, you should be looking at it as it looked in the past, but hop in your ship and fly there and it will look exactly the same, time doesn't pass for stars and nebula and any other object that makes up the galactic simulation. The engine has nothing to do with it, it's all down to the Stellar Forge and how it simulates the galaxy.

As I said, you all need to read up a bit on how the Stellar Forge works. It's not because it might not be cool, or it's against anyones vision, the galaxy simulation simply doesn't work that way. It's an enormous undertaking to model 400b star systems with planets, nebula and everything else, the first time it's been done at this scale in a game. In future games yes maybe they can do that, but it can't be done with the current galaxy simulation.

 

[varonica]

Indeed. It would shake up nearby systems!

Changing the distribution of mass in the galaxy would require the Stellar Forge to be rerun with a new procedural key, every single star in the game would be moved or changed, erasing many years of careful exploration and data gathering by thousands of keen explorers. The game would never recover from such an event.

Or introduce a new spacefaring civilization who were tampering with some stars....just a thought. Enough examples in sience fiction novels...

Can't be done, read up on how the Stellar Forge works, I keep saying this but you seem to be ignoring my suggestion that you do some research so you know what can and can't be done with the current galaxy simulation. It's really no skin off my nose, but until you do actually get some real information about the Stellar Forge your suggestions aren't going to go anywhere.

 

[varonica]

Just to add here, remarkably you aren't first person to ever ask for Supernova, I forget how many times it has been requested over the years, and yet there are none in game and most conversations went roughly as this one has done. There's not a lot else that needs to be said really apart from this, remember that the Stellar Forge, the program that generates the galaxy and actually evolves it and all the stars and planets up to the date we are playing in game is now quite a few years old, it was cutting edge then, it is probably still pretty cutting edge even many years later, no-one else had copied what FDEV have done.

Maybe we will have an entirely new game based on a new engine and galaxy simulation in the future and I suspect that's the only chance of actually getting a Supernova evert on an Elite game.

 

[Lugh]

that would require the Stellar Forge to be re-run and lose everything that everyone has currently discovered in the galaxy.

Not that I think we need nova added but hasn't fdev repeatedly edited systems moving things around like planets clipping into one another ect, without it requiring everything to be redone?

 

[TiberiusDuval]

So what you're saying then....is that for all gameplay perspectives they last longer than 100 seconds, as after that you have the propagation of various shockwaves and particle waves.

Also, it could totally be done with the existing engine. They won't, because it's custom comment and that goes against the top line 'vision'... But it's doable, and could be really cool

Well yeah, propagation. If it is done realistically you practically would not see anything for a years, or at best days if it happens in core region and you would be nearby...

 

[hems303]

Not that I think we need nova added but hasn't fdev repeatedly edited systems moving things around like planets clipping into one another ect, without it requiring everything to be redone?

Yes certainly small, piecemeal changes of a local nature.... but a supernova would NOT be local; it and suchlike events, would be cataclysmic and the Stellar Forge ramifications would need to be far reaching (and disruptive to what exists now, as CMDR Varonica has repeatedly pointed out!) o7

P.S. I think FDev have tried to introduce more 'eye-catching events' in the game; one example are comets which do exist in game (plotted) but not graphically shown in-game because of 'unresolved consequences' in the code (?Stellar Forge). If it was easy to introduce supernovas and comets et al, then I'm sure FDev would be tripping over themselves to hit the graphical 'go button'.

edit:

Comets are already present in the Stellar Forge - you can drop into normal space close to them!

Today I was investigating the curious case of the Pareco system; it has one star, and six stations. The oddity is that all six stations are around 11000Ls from the main star, and they're all orbiting ... nothing in particular. This has been a point of interest for some time, and some bold...

forums.frontier.co.uk

 

[CMDR Von Abrahart]

FD can do whatever they like - would be cool to annnounce an event like this beforehand so we could go see ( from a distance ). They could stick a alien dyson sphere somewhere - or better still, my favourite, alien pyramids - but they probably saving them for landing on proper worlds

 

[Lugh]

Yes certainly small, piecemeal changes of a local nature.... but a supernova would NOT be local; it and suchlike events, would be cataclysmic and the Stellar Forge ramifications would need to be far reaching (and disruptive to what exists now, as CMDR Varonica has repeatedly pointed out!) o7

I mean would it? If it happened in a system even 20ly from another system the servers would probably be shut down before it would actually be expected to have an affect on anything outside its own system.

 

[TiberiusDuval]

I mean would it? If it happened in a system even 20ly from another system the servers would probably be shut down before it would actually be expected to have an affect on anything outside its own system.

It would take 20 years to propagate from that system As Elite DOES run semirealistically...

 

[Lugh]

It would take 20 years to propagate from that system As Elite DOES run semirealistically...

Yeah that was my point, though ED actually ignores this bit of physics. Light travels instantly unfortunately.