Mining Has Been Triple Nerfed

[drakkster]

First of all, I want to tell you that I just returned back to the game after a hiatus of a year. Currently my hours played is 1430.
I really enjoyed the soft grind of LTD mining in Borann. It was my island getaway from the howling banshee voice of my wife.
A stress relief. I also enjoyed the large sums of money that it brought, it was the payoff to long hours of mining. With it, I was
able to buy a FC and jump around a a few times with it. Great joy!

BUT! And this is a BIG BUT the mining nerf has got to be the WORST BLUNDER OF ANY GAME DEVs I've seen in my lifetime
of playing video games. Not only did you nerf mining but you nerfed ED.

Some of us felt joy in long hours of mining as long as there was a reward at the end. In the last few days since I've been back
I've mined well over 6 hours and I don't even have enough ore to fill and ADDER much less a FC.

You've taken away the reward and made it almost impossible to enjoy this game.

Why not do other things you ask?

Like what?

Space tourism: Really? COME ON MAN!

Bounty Hunting? I like it but the payout is too low for the amount of effort

Exploring? I have only one thing to say about that: Hopefully Odyssey will change this a little but I'm not holding my breath

Mining? COMPLETELY NERFED INTO OBLIVION! At least laser mining. I've done combo laser, surface and subsurface and core with very poor results


Here's a question for all you FDEV geniuses:

WHY IS IT WHEN I DROP IN THE DEAD CENTER OF A HOT SPOT I FIND NO MINERALS OF WHICH THE HOTSPOT STATES IT SHOULD HAVE?????????

FIX THIS FDEVs DO IT NOW!

And stop nerfing! Nerfing is not content! Build more content, planets with life on them, alien species beside the Thargoid! Planetary Bases!
I can think of a million ways of making this game better beside making it a FP shooter. And where the hell is Raxxla! How about a quest line
with Raxxla as the Holy Grail!

I came back to ED because of Odyssey but looking at how you guys develop games I think Odyssey will be worse than my wife's cooking.


DRAKKTER

 

[gorankar]

OP, you are correct in that it is silly to drop into a hotspot and find it empty of the mineral it is supposedly a hotspot for. Fdev prolly should look into that.

That said, mining was due a nerf. It was ridiculous. At one point you could easily make 500-750 million an hour doing mapped mining or using the eggsploit for LTDs. As it stands, you can still laser mine platinum or osmium for around 70-120 million an hour. It looks like LTD SSD mining is making a comeback as well, just not to the ludicrous levels it once was. You can do stacked passenger missions reliably for 100 million an hour in a couple places, and reliably stack pirate slaughters as well for similar money. Fdev spread the wealth, as they should have, a long time ago. Maybe they did not do it the way some of us wanted, to the levels some of us wanted, but hey, can't have it all. For instance, I would have nerfed prices further and not drop rates to achieve similar earnings levels. It has made mining boring. Never finding anything is just annoying.

 

[metatheurgist]

Bounty hunting is one of the best paying activities now. Mining still pays ridiculously, just not as ridiculous as before. tbh, both could be nerfed right now.

 

[Micha]

Sorry, I just recently did some mining (aiming for Gold to unlock Lie Cheung, but ended up just getting Platinum and exchanging it at the nearest starbase).

10mins of laser mining to fill a Python in a Platinum hotspot.

So can't really repro the Ops assertion.

 

[drakkster]

mining was due a nerf

No it was not. Once they added Tritium and all the other garbage minerals it reduced the drop rate of the rarer minerals. Now the rarer minerals don't even spawn NOT IN CORE, NOT IN SURFACE OR SUBSURFACE. It's just sad

I'm SAD-MAD!

 

[Gwyther]

I've mined well over 6 hours and I don't even have enough ore to fill an ADDER much less a FC.

You are either over exaggerating or doing something very wrong if you can't fill an Adder after 6 hours of mining.

 

[Darkman Returns]

First of all, I want to tell you that I just returned back to the game after a hiatus of a year.

Bounty Hunting? I like it but the payout is too low for the amount of effort

Excuse me? Have you done any Bounty Hunting since you returned, or are you just curled up in a corner lamenting the loss of your favourite mining simulator, which was so amazing that you haven't played it for a year?

 

[Several Puffins]

Do platinum if you enjoy laser mining, the gameplay is identical and the drop rates and credits/hr are fine, well over 100mil/hr. If you're not doing a tonne of cutter-based PvP you can't have a use for more credits than that brings in. I mean 30 hrs of the old mining in total and you could comfortably buy and A rate every ship in the game and a carrier to put them on.

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

Mining was due a nerf, despite your red text.

Anyway, the delightful @Red Anders made a wonderful video for people who can't fill and Adder.

So yeah, really couldn't be arxed with capping a 100 gig fraps vid, re-encoding it and then uploading the reduced clip to youtube after 6 hours in the hospital on Tuesday, so sorry I didn't get back to you on that. This afternoon though, I thought I'd pop out for some mining and amazingly enough, here's me making 50m in 52 minutes as I said I can do every time I log on.

Source: https://youtu.be/c97NnwiM0nw


I'm going to point out that the sell price there was nothing like the maximum for platinum, which is around 295k per ton, or around 50k per ton more than I got. As for a system being close-by, it's not that close (4 jumps out, 5 jumps back) but since I was only mining a single hotspot, who cares - they're hardly rare and anybody can bookmark one so they don't have to mess around wondering where one is, plus there's a specific miner's website that lists double hotspots if a single just isn't enough for some people.

Although I certainly have mined 50m worth of stuff much faster than this on other runs, that's where the luck element comes in. The 25 min run that I mentioned for example was a glorious bit of luck. The 40 minute one I mentioned was a bit of luck, but not that much to be honest - that sort of time is quite regular. However the entire reason I said 50m in an hour was predictable and repeatable is that it is. That's the baseline that anybody can reach, as evidenced by this entirely unspectacular mining session which I told you I'd be able to achieve two days ago. The funny thing is the recent economy changes that OP was moaning about are exactly what has ensured that there are always stations available to sell platinum to at these rates. It's not like trying to sell void opals or LTDs. Really it's not; this is commonplace.

Oh and as for 'if you can do this why are all these people complaining', well some of them are trying to laser mine in metal rich ring hotspots and wondering why they aren't getting the same kind of yields, some are probably just crap at mining or have crap builds (maybe you should be asking them to make videos of what they're doing?) and some are moaning because they think 50m an hour is chump change. The last bunch, I have no idea what they consider 'reasonable' but to my mind, being able to buy the ship you just watched (with all of its A-rated gear) with two hours work seems pretty damn reasonable to me

 

[drakkster]

Excuse me? Have you done any Bounty Hunting since you returned, or are you just curled up in a corner lamenting the loss of your favourite mining simulator, which was so amazing that you haven't played it for a year?

I didn't get the rank of deadly by mining. So, yes I bounty hunt but I prefer to put on some ambient music and mine for three hours than to fight for only 1 hour at a time (that's the most I can dog fight without going bat crazy).

I might try AFKing, I'm building a PIRATE KILLING TYPE 10 now.

The payouts are still the same.

The most bounty I received for taking down a pirate "SO FAR" is 290K.

I played 2 hours of bounty hunting in Deciat and got 100 million(50mil/hr).

P.S. I've been playing NMS for the last year. I came back because of Odyssey.

 

[drakkster]

Do platinum if you enjoy laser mining, the gameplay is identical and the drop rates and credits/hr are fine, well over 100mil/hr. If you're not doing a tonne of cutter-based PvP you can't have a use for more credits than that brings in. I mean 30 hrs of the old mining in total and you could comfortably buy and A rate every ship in the game and a carrier to put them on.

I found a ring system that instead of giving Benitoite in the hot spot it gives Osmium, Painite and Platinum. So, I will see if this satisfies my mining needs. I've been searching
for the last three days relentlessly and I got a little lucky today (just before this post), But I still have not mined 1 single ton of Benitoite.

 

[gorankar]

No it was not. Once they added Tritium and all the other garbage minerals it reduced the drop rate of the rarer minerals. Now the rarer minerals don't even spawn NOT IN CORE, NOT IN SURFACE OR SUBSURFACE. It's just sad

I'm SAD-MAD!

Yes, it was due a nerf. The earnings were absurd, and my post addressed that they should have nerfed price, and left drop rates alone.
They could have achieved the same results nerfing just price and demand. Instead they chose to nerf all three.

 

[drakkster]

Yes, it was due a nerf. The earnings were absurd, and my post addressed that they should have nerfed price, and left drop rates alone.
They could have achieved the same results nerfing just price and demand. Instead they chose to nerf all three.

I'm literally mining for three hours and I didn't find 1 ROCK with Benitoite. NOT ONE FREAKING ROCK!!!!! IN A HOTSPOT!!!!! THREE HOURS!!!!

COME ON MAN!!!!

 

[BirdWisdom]

Those who have their trillions of CR have worked diligently to make suggestions in forums to downgrade mining three times yes

 

[GoldenSilver484]

I didn't get the rank of deadly by mining. So, yes I bounty hunt but I prefer to put on some ambient music and mine for three hours than to fight for only 1 hour at a time (that's the most I can dog fight without going bat crazy).

I might try AFKing, I'm building a PIRATE KILLING TYPE 10 now.

The payouts are still the same.

The most bounty I received for taking down a pirate "SO FAR" is 290K.

I played 2 hours of bounty hunting in Deciat and got 100 million(50mil/hr).

P.S. I've been playing NMS for the last year. I came back because of Odyssey.

The amount that shows up in the info panel when a target explodes hasn't yet been updated to show the actual amount you get.
Look at the transaction tab after killing a single ship and you'll see it's 4-10 times what the info panel shows.

My record is 1.9 million for an Elite FDL that exploded ~40 seconds after my KWS completed, info panel said 439k.

 

[drakkster]

The amount that shows up in the info panel when a target explodes hasn't yet been updated to show the actual amount you get.
Look at the transaction tab after killing a single ship and you'll see it's 4-10 times what the info panel shows.

My record is 1.9 million for an Elite FDL that exploded ~40 seconds after my KWS completed, info panel said 439k.

that would make sense, I didn't think I killed that many pirates

 

[Dillon Fallon]

Just a thought- if you went mining in Borann and presumably now have enough credits for 2 fleet carriers (like plenty of others picked up in that time), what do you need the credits for?

Bounty hunting for an evening pays off the 23 million upkeep on my carrier, so the rest of the time I'm doing stuff because I want to do it (or sating my never-ending hunger for materials).

My total profit from mining is approx. 300 million, before I'm accused of wanting to pull up the ladder on newer players.

 

[drakkster]

Just a thought- if you went mining in Borann and presumably now have enough credits for 2 fleet carriers (like plenty of others picked up in that time), what do you need the credits for?

Bounty hunting for an evening pays off the 23 million upkeep on my carrier, so the rest of the time I'm doing stuff because I want to do it (or sating my never-ending hunger for materials).

My total profit from mining is approx. 300 million, before I'm accused of wanting to pull up the ladder on newer players.

It's not about payout!!!! It's about the process. If I'm in a ring and in 3 hours I mine 400 tons That's a nice hall. The MONEY is just icing on the cake. If they just nerfed the
prices and not the DROP RATE it wouldn't matter to me if its 1 million a ton or 400k a ton. But when I drop into a hot spot that's suppose to be LTD or Benitoite and I don't
even get 1 ton after 1 hour of mining. THAT REALLY SUX.

I did 2 runs dropping into s pirate zone and got 100 million and I still have 7 billion in the bank (and my Carrier is fully loaded with 22 million/wk expense), so it's not about the money BUT THE DROP RATE. I JUST LOVE TO MINE!!! It's my thing! Bounty hunting gets old when you figure out what the AI is going to do every time. The pirates do the same maneuvers every single time so it's very predictable.

Do you get me?

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

It's not about payout!!!! It's about the process. If I'm in a ring and in 3 hours I mine 400 tons That's a nice hall. The MONEY is just icing on the cake. If they just nerfed the
prices and not the DROP RATE it wouldn't matter to me if its 1 million a ton or 400k a ton. But when I drop into a hot spot that's suppose to be LTD or Benitoite and I don't
even get 1 ton after 1 hour of mining. THAT REALLY SUX.

I did 2 runs dropping into s pirate zone and got 100 million and I still have 7 billion in the bank (and my Carrier is fully loaded with 22 million/wk expense), so it's not about the money BUT THE DROP RATE. I JUST LOVE TO MINE!!! It's my thing! Bounty hunting gets old when you figure out what the AI is going to do every time. The pirates do the same maneuvers every single time so it's very predictable.

Do you get me?

So what I don't get is this, I can drop into any ring with a hotspot, I can laser, SSD in there and fill my ship without moving more than 100m. If you're after cores, then yes, they're harder to find, but what I have found is, where you used to travel (making these numbers up) 150km in a hotspot and find 8-9 cores, you now have to travel twice that distance to do so.

I've been out in the black a while, I was out mining TRIT for my carrier, at one point I rejected 2 cores because I needed the TRIT more.

Explain to me your process. You find a ring....then what? How close to your drop into the centre, etc?

 

[Dillon Fallon]

It's not about payout!!!! It's about the process. If I'm in a ring and in 3 hours I mine 400 tons That's a nice hall. The MONEY is just icing on the cake. If they just nerfed the
prices and not the DROP RATE it wouldn't matter to me if its 1 million a ton or 400k a ton. But when I drop into a hot spot that's suppose to be LTD or Benitoite and I don't
even get 1 ton after 1 hour of mining. THAT REALLY SUX.

I did 2 runs dropping into s pirate zone and got 100 million and I still have 7 billion in the bank (and my Carrier is fully loaded with 22 million/wk expense), so it's not about the money BUT THE DROP RATE. I JUST LOVE TO MINE!!! It's my thing! Bounty hunting gets old when you figure out what the AI is going to do every time. The pirates do the same maneuvers every single time so it's very predictable.

Do you get me?

If it's an LTD hotspot, it should be LTDs, that bit is obviously broken, granted. I don't know how you're picking up so little though as I seem to be able to get much more LTDs via piracy. Let's not get into a debate over who has a worse time of it there. At least you don't have to worry about things like an NPC blowing up your core rock, or the core rock high waking when you take out the NPC. That's before we look at whether you need to boop stop the core rock before getting your stuff out of it.

All this aside, I'm not sure how you get so few commodities if price isn't an issue. If all you're set up to do is mine cores, maybe you need to consider done of the other types of mining as well.

Things change in this game, believe me it wasn't easy finding that decent piracy targets moved from agriculture to industrial systems a while back. We just had to find that out, on top of systems with ringed planets spawning NPCs with a hold full of limpets occasionally as well.