More bad than good

[Spectre Alpha]

I have noticed that the forum boards are relating many more bad experiences with the game in it's current state than good experiences. Since there is obviously more negative player experiences, why are these things not being addressed and corrected? I think our voices are no longer being heard by the men in the glass booth.

Mayhaps it is because they have nothing positive to give us so they choose to say nothing at all.

I will try the new releases as they come out, but frankly the ones they have given us so far fail to keep me interested. I suppose they would not care about that since I already paid for 2 copies, betas and expansions, not to mention donations.

 

[Asp Explorer]

To be honest - I don't expect any fixes or corrections to Beta. It's done it's job. It no longer needs alteration, and I can't see any justification for any more dev time on it.

We simply have to wait until we get the next version, give it a go, and give feedback on that.

 

[Cmdr Andy B]

because there are more people posting about bad stuff than good stuff doesn't mean the game is any worse, its just a reflection of the massive influx of new players.

there are a lot of us (myself included) who are loving the game as it stands, but posting a thread to say so seems more than a little bit pointless - especially for the KS backers who have by now heard it all before.

besides the fact that those without issues or gripes are too busy playing to bother too much about posting new threads right now.

 

[Tarman]

That's just speculation on your part. Wait till the actual release to be disappointed.

As far as more negative comments closer to release, welcome to a beta forum. The forum is already the repository of those of us who like to yap about the game at least as much as we play it; thus this is already the loudest section of the entire playerbase. Many players never never touch a forum, either because they don't care, or they don't want to deal with the inevitabilities that arise in these types of forums.

So out of the selection of us vocal players, the loudest of the loud are those who are enraged by real issues, or enraged by perceived issues. Closer to any release date of anything, the volume of those who feel disaster looms becomes the Dirge of the Hellzacomin. Usually countered equally annoyingly by the Choir of the Superfaith, who don't ever see any issues, even actual issues. Rational players get drowned out in the choir-off that ensues.

Since this happens in EVERY SINGLE BETA I have been involved in, I find it's a poor judgement of the actual game since it's EXACTLY the same thing every time. Much more a sociological experiment than an indicator of game quality.

 

[Spectre Alpha]

because there are more people posting about bad stuff than good stuff doesn't mean the game is any worse, its just a reflection of the massive influx of new players.

there are a lot of us (myself included) who are loving the game as it stands, but posting a thread to say so seems more than a little bit pointless - especially for the KS backers who have by now heard it all before.

besides the fact that those without issues or gripes are too busy playing to bother too much about posting new threads right now.

If we assume that you are right, and I am not willing to concede that point just yet, but if true it means that most people who will be getting the game will not like the game, this is just as bad if not worse.

Tarman
That's just speculation on your part. Wait till the actual release to be disappointed.

You're right, it looks as if there will be plenty to be disappointed about after the 16th, no need to get it all done now.

 

[CaptainKremmen]

I can't speak for anyone else here. Just me. And I bet I'll regret straying from my usual attempts at rational thought, and detouring into an area ruled by emotion at the moment.

But what the hell.


From last Friday onwards, the general tone and attitude of some threads and posts in "Beta Discussion" absolutely appalled me.

As a direct consequence, I've resolved not to post any comment or opinion in the "Beta Discussion" forum from now on. A big ask, but I'm doing okay on that score. One snuck by the other day, but that was only a copy/paste.


I'm trying to follow a approach whereby if I don't have anything constructive to say, I won't say anything at all. The way I feel right now, any post I make in "Beta Discussion" would surely be one I'd look back on with regret and embarrassment, because it would certainly be... Not Constructive. That's putting it rather mildly, given my strong feelings on some recent utterances.


Above all, I'm disappointed. Hurt, too, obviously. There's a fair old bit of anger in the mix, which is why I've gone for full blackout. But mostly, "disappointed" covers it.


If I'd seen just a single post from someone saying, "Frontier Developers, please do let us know if there's anything more we can do to help!", I'd have shed tears of pride for just a minute, I swear.


Where was I? Ah, yes. No, I haven't been posting anything.

What I have been doing is enjoying many hours of pretty intense ED gameplay. Yes, it works for me. I love it to death, and can happily lose myself in it. I've met more commanders in 3 days than in entire months previously. I have so many players on the radar sometimes, I simply don't have time to scan them all to see who is there. So...

Not spending time typing stuff in "Beta Discussion" any more. Spending time playing.


Perhaps I'm not the only one. Perhaps I am.


But, as I said, I can only speak for myself. I therefore can't give a definitive answer your "More Bad than Good" original post. And I'm not going to bother guessing.

 

[Cmdr Andy B]

If we assume that you are right, and I am not willing to concede that point just yet, but if true it means that most people who will be getting the game will not like the game, this is just as bad if not worse.






You're right, it looks as if there will be plenty to be disappointed about after the 16th, no need to get it all done now.

that's a bit of word twisting you did there, i did NOT say that 'most' new players didn't like the game, just that the massive influx of new players increased the amount of moaning, mainly due to not understanding the game mechanics and not spending enough time practicing in the tutorials.

basically they are moaning because they find the game too confusing and instead of asking questions to find out where they are going wrong (as that would involve admitting they were wrong) they post a rant about their experience.

quite often once they have had a chance to calm down, watch a few youtube tutorial video's and had a few of their questions answered they start to relax and enjoy the experience.

the evidence of this is there if you take the time to look for it, have a look at the user profile of the ranter and you will often see that the only thread they have posted in apart from introductions is the rant itself. not one single question asked, not one chance to answer their questions, they go straight from 0 to 100 Moans per hour right off the starting line.

 

[Zarkon]

I can't speak for anyone else here. Just me. And I bet I'll regret straying from my usual attempts at rational thought, and detouring into an area ruled by emotion at the moment.

But what the hell.


From last Friday onwards, the general tone and attitude of some threads and posts in "Beta Discussion" absolutely appalled me.

As a direct consequence, I've resolved not to post any comment or opinion in the "Beta Discussion" forum from now on. A big ask, but I'm doing okay on that score. One snuck by the other day, but that was only a copy/paste.


I'm trying to follow a approach whereby if I don't have anything constructive to say, I won't say anything at all. The way I feel right now, any post I make in "Beta Discussion" would surely be one I'd look back on with regret and embarrassment, because it would certainly be... Not Constructive. That's putting it rather mildly, given my strong feelings on some recent utterances.


Above all, I'm disappointed. Hurt, too, obviously. There's a fair old bit of anger in the mix, which is why I've gone for full blackout. But mostly, "disappointed" covers it.


If I'd seen just a single post from someone saying, "Frontier Developers, please do let us know if there's anything more we can do to help!", I'd have shed tears of pride for just a minute, I swear.


Where was I? Ah, yes. No, I haven't been posting anything.

What I have been doing is enjoying many hours of pretty intense ED gameplay. Yes, it works for me. I love it to death, and can happily lose myself in it. I've met more commanders in 3 days than in entire months previously. I have so many players on the radar sometimes, I simply don't have time to scan them all to see who is there. So...

Not spending time typing stuff in "Beta Discussion" any more. Spending time playing.


Perhaps I'm not the only one. Perhaps I am.


But, as I said, I can only speak for myself. I therefore can't give a definitive answer your "More Bad than Good" original post. And I'm not going to bother guessing.

I have to admit I've also stopped posting much of late. It's pointless to keep explaining over and over that this is a beta. It is not a game yet. It is not feature complete by any stretch of the term, and it's not meant to be. The alpha and beta have worked very well for me and I too am enjoying many hours playing... I mean testing this product. What Frontier has given us is superb, and yet it is only a glimpse of what is to come.

 

[flint read]

I saw a competent, well informed and positive post this evening and it started sensibly and respectfully then, the doomers got a sniff of it and it turned into the usual straw man and taking points and twisting them, that the threads have devolved into of late, very sad really there is just so little sense of recognition for how well this game is going when you conciser another even more well funded game with surely just as much talent behind it can't even seem to get out of the hanger yet.

the achievement so far has been awesome (and yes im aware of the correct usage of this oft over used word) and surely even at this point talent like this can prevail.

it's insulting and incredibly ungrateful to suggest otherwise not to mention monumentally arrogant.

so i have said it before and ill say it again Well done FD. and the very best of luck for gamma i for one will wait and see.

 

[Hermit]

Well, myself and xxThe_Dice_manxx have a theory on why there's been a sudden increase in naysayers of late...
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https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=53662&page=4&p=934347&highlight=#post934347
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Perhaps tinfoil hats don't suit us - LOL!

 

[Aramike]

It's like news ... you only hear about the bad. The people loving it are too busy playing it.

 

[Hermit]

It's like news ... you only hear about the bad. The people loving it are too busy playing it.

That ^
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And the people complaining about it can't be bothered learning how to play it.

 

[SuBSynk]

I can't speak for anyone else here. Just me. And I bet I'll regret straying from my usual attempts at rational thought, and detouring into an area ruled by emotion at the moment.

But what the hell.


From last Friday onwards, the general tone and attitude of some threads and posts in "Beta Discussion" absolutely appalled me.

As a direct consequence, I've resolved not to post any comment or opinion in the "Beta Discussion" forum from now on. A big ask, but I'm doing okay on that score. One snuck by the other day, but that was only a copy/paste.


I'm trying to follow a approach whereby if I don't have anything constructive to say, I won't say anything at all. The way I feel right now, any post I make in "Beta Discussion" would surely be one I'd look back on with regret and embarrassment, because it would certainly be... Not Constructive. That's putting it rather mildly, given my strong feelings on some recent utterances.


Above all, I'm disappointed. Hurt, too, obviously. There's a fair old bit of anger in the mix, which is why I've gone for full blackout. But mostly, "disappointed" covers it.


If I'd seen just a single post from someone saying, "Frontier Developers, please do let us know if there's anything more we can do to help!", I'd have shed tears of pride for just a minute, I swear.


Where was I? Ah, yes. No, I haven't been posting anything.

What I have been doing is enjoying many hours of pretty intense ED gameplay. Yes, it works for me. I love it to death, and can happily lose myself in it. I've met more commanders in 3 days than in entire months previously. I have so many players on the radar sometimes, I simply don't have time to scan them all to see who is there. So...

Not spending time typing stuff in "Beta Discussion" any more. Spending time playing.


Perhaps I'm not the only one. Perhaps I am.


But, as I said, I can only speak for myself. I therefore can't give a definitive answer your "More Bad than Good" original post. And I'm not going to bother guessing.

Excellent post, pretty much sums up how i feel. Have some rep

Its like bashing your head against a brick wall trying to convince these people, "Don't Panic" comes to mind but doesn't work i'am sure.

Even worse is when you write out a long post explaining the difference between beta and the finished product or reasons to remain optimistic and constructive and the post is somehow turned around and used to prove the opposite. Above posts are a pretty accurate example of this. Its almost like they skim read the answer or not read the answer at all and then blindly continue on with the "nothing will get better" type arguments...So boring and very frustrating.

Absolutely loving E: D at the moment, still thriving off the feeling of piloting my ship and making different decisions daily on what to do and where to go. That feeling of freedom in space is hard to get over.

Cant wait till the 22nd and all the players in game or on my stream i chat to are the same -excited for release and still full of wonder on what this game can and does deliver- keep your chin up Kremmen they are but the overly vocal minority.

Most of those that love the game are busy in space enjoying the last few days of Beta and others have half given up repeating the same tired mantra on the forums to people that don't listen.

 

[Spectre Alpha]

I can't speak for anyone else here. Just me. And I bet I'll regret straying from my usual attempts at rational thought, and detouring into an area ruled by emotion at the moment.

But what the hell.


From last Friday onwards, the general tone and attitude of some threads and posts in "Beta Discussion" absolutely appalled me.

As a direct consequence, I've resolved not to post any comment or opinion in the "Beta Discussion" forum from now on. A big ask, but I'm doing okay on that score. One snuck by the other day, but that was only a copy/paste.


I'm trying to follow a approach whereby if I don't have anything constructive to say, I won't say anything at all. The way I feel right now, any post I make in "Beta Discussion" would surely be one I'd look back on with regret and embarrassment, because it would certainly be... Not Constructive. That's putting it rather mildly, given my strong feelings on some recent utterances.

Then just post about the topic, not the other posts. Give an opinion on the game or game feature of the post, not the person posting.

I saw a competent, well informed and positive post this evening and it started sensibly and respectfully

A positive post, singular, and did you see any negatives ones? was there more than one? If so it proves the point I was making.

basically they are moaning because they find the game too confusing and instead of asking questions to find out where they are going wrong (as that would involve admitting they were wrong) they post a rant about their experience.

The game is anything but confusing, in fact the biggest problem it has is that it is too simple, not enough complexity to spend days, weeks or even months finding new intricacies, new game content and ways to play not just new systems. There are too few options in how we can play the game and only one way we can see the game.

More people = More moaning.

Yes, as it was said, the new people picking up the game are the ones that were not die hard nostalgia players trying to recapture a bit of the 'old days' and they are not receiving the game well at all. Unfortunately, that is the player pool that is left to buy the game now, and if they do not like it, then it does not bode well for the game today.

It's fine to hate the message I bring, but try not to hate the messenger. I'd love the game to be awesome since I already own 2 copies of all they have to sell.

 

[ste]

More people = More moaning.

When the moaning stops, thats is when you really need to worry.

 

[SpaceGoblin]

I have noticed that the forum boards are relating many more bad experiences with the game in it's current state than good experiences. Since there is obviously more negative player experiences...

Its only obvious that more negative player experiences are being written about on the forums.

As some in this thread have mentioned already, this is likely because people who are enjoying themselves will stay in game enjoying themselves, rather than break off to come to the forum and tell everyone about it. Much like when a question is asked on the forum, the vast majority who don't know the answer don't post "No" in the thread.

Also a lot of the folks who do like the game have gotten rather burned out, from what I can gather reading the forums, trying to present positive points and getting drowned out/ignored/lambasted by those who don't or won't accept those positive points.

For the record I'm having a lot of fun in game, but I'm not going to come to the forums and post about everything I do - it'd get old for people real quick, I'm sure

Don't let the negativity grind you down - the E forum community is growing, and with that will come an increase in negative over positive - look at any online game forum, its not just here, its everywhere.

Also, not every negative post is an issue that needs fixing, but thats a whole other barrel of internet woe.

 

[Monk]

Just this...

Negative Bias http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negativity_bias

The negativity bias[1] (also known as the negativity effect) refers to the notion that, even when of equal intensity, things of a more negative nature (e.g., unpleasant thoughts, emotions, or social interactions; harmful/traumatic events) have a greater effect on one’s psychological state and processes than do neutral or positive things.[2][3][4] In other words, something very positive will generally have less of an impact on a person’s behavior and cognition than something equally emotional but negative. The negativity bias has been investigated within many different domains, including the formation of impressions and general evaluations; attention, learning, and memory; and decision-making and risk considerations.

 

[Commander Debic]

Love the game. This forum turned into the carebear cesspit. They post the same negative messages over and over again. I know you're getting rekted with the interdiction. One day you'll get over it.

Can you please leave the carebear remarks over at Eve. Mods have frequently said its not welcome to use put down names in the game/forum and that one in particular. Thank you.

 

[Spectre Alpha]

Just this...

Negative Bias http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negativity_bias

The negativity bias[1] (also known as the negativity effect) refers to the notion that, even when of equal intensity, things of a more negative nature (e.g., unpleasant thoughts, emotions, or social interactions; harmful/traumatic events) have a greater effect on one’s psychological state and processes than do neutral or positive things.[2][3][4] In other words, something very positive will generally have less of an impact on a person’s behavior and cognition than something equally emotional but negative. The negativity bias has been investigated within many different domains, including the formation of impressions and general evaluations; attention, learning, and memory; and decision-making and risk considerations.

Of course, this is well known by anyone that went to school, but it is the very reason a game developer needs to have a lot more positive experiences available in a game than negative ones, you have helped me make the point I was making in the beginning. There is a lot more poor game play than excellent, knock your socks off good game play.

 

[Monk]

There is a lot more poor game play than excellent, knock your socks off good game play.

Matter of opinion, just pointing out that I have had my socks knocked off b/c I don't let little things get to me, knowing it is beta and that no game is released w/o bugs.

These threads lack any ability to be constructive and just upset EVERYONE. Most people I speak to and watch on Twitch are having a splendid time. I'm truly sorry that some issues are keeping you from having fun. I hope it gets better for you, but in the grand scheme of things I, FD and most everyone else don't care about the ceaseless ranting of a very vocal minority.