My Honda Civic has a small fuel tank...

[Sonof Hibachi]

...so I couldn't drive it very far. Whilst in the depths of deepest darkest Backofbeyondshire I popped into an out of the way garage to see if I could get more range.

A rather ugly man shambled out of the shed-like workshop and demanded a milking machine, three swan beaks and a pickled egg before he would even look at my car. With my limited range I scrabbled around and found the items, eventually delivering them to the ugly man who then introduced himself as Felicity.

He then fiddled around under my car and after much grunting told me the job was done. I thanked him and carried on my merry way only to find that my car's range had actually reduced and he'd nicked my fuel. Returning to Felicity's garage there was no possible way to remonstrate with the chap so I posted a rant on an obscure forum - something about borders/edges/maybe even frontiers - and the reply I had was "can you not read - there is soooo much stuff about this online".

My stupidity is that

a) I had tried it before and it left me outraged

b) I tried it yet again and I'm now frickin' RAGING!

c) Why the hell should I be looking online to understand what has become a major part of E : D. Surely, SURELY this should be a transparent mechanic that makes the grind worthwhile.

I've just had a four month break from E : D after my first negative experience with engineers. I had always flown in open but since I started again and re-discovered this engineer farce I've been in a PG (19,000+ members but yet to see one) because I would like a level playing field.

Stick it up yr behind Felicity, you'll never see me again.

Hibachi, disgruntled.

 

[Nick Sticks]

I threw away 10 swan beaks just last week.

 

[GreyAreaUK]

Stick it up yr behind Felicity, you'll never see me again.

Hibachi, disgruntled.

One of the forthcoming improvements is that each Engineering roll will be better than the last.

 

[Taranis Dekker]

One of the forthcoming improvements is that each Engineering roll will be better than the last.

Excellent, so we'll all be flying around in (eventually) equalised god-ships with little or no variation between engineered module capabilities from one ship to the next?

I get the concept of fine-tuning for improvements, so if that is coming, I hope FD implement that in a good way, rather than just repeated rolls for the same cost in mats and data. Diminishing returns perhaps, so the closer you get to the god-level, the more it costs, or something like that. Though even that approach will reward players who have the time to hunt for the ingredients. Still, FD can't please all the people, all of the time.

 

[Aashenfox]

Excellent, so we'll all be flying around in (eventually) equalised god-ships with little or no variation between engineered module capabilities from one ship to the next?

I get the concept of fine-tuning for improvements, so if that is coming, I hope FD implement that in a good way, rather than just repeated rolls for the same cost in mats and data. Diminishing returns perhaps, so the closer you get to the god-level, the more it costs, or something like that. Though even that approach will reward players who have the time to hunt for the ingredients. Still, FD can't please all the people, all of the time.

Well said, changing engineering is another knee jerk reaction, the only thing wrong with engineering is the materials gathering. Shaved Squirrel Balls are only available on raxxla I heard.

@op, like everything in elite, engineering requires preparation, you should have gathered enough materials for 20 attempts, you would definitely have got an improvement and in fact close to max bonus. People tend to exaggerate both the difference between a good and bad roll as well as the number of attempts required to get something worth having.

 

[CMDR Cosmic Spacehead]

I took my new (old) Saab 9-3 to the garage for a full cambelt kit change.
It came out with a brake light failure warning light. And an odd smell

Brake lights work fine. No idea what they did.
Odd smell went away after a few miles.
I assume someone farted in my car.


True story.

Hibachi, how did you end up with worse range than stock? Assuming you went in with a stock FSD.
I don't think it's actually possible to get a worse roll than standard.

But it is possible to roll a higher grade, which actually dips below the highest of the grade below.
So a good grade 3 can end up being better than a bad grade 4.
I think this is what FD is planning to fix next year.

In any case, if the roll is worse,xdont accept it, just discard it, you won't lose the previous stats.

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

...so I couldn't drive it very far. Whilst in the depths of deepest darkest Backofbeyondshire I popped into an out of the way garage to see if I could get more range.

A rather ugly man shambled out of the shed-like workshop and demanded a milking machine, three swan beaks and a pickled egg before he would even look at my car. With my limited range I scrabbled around and found the items, eventually delivering them to the ugly man who then introduced himself as Felicity.

He then fiddled around under my car and after much grunting told me the job was done. I thanked him and carried on my merry way only to find that my car's range had actually reduced and he'd nicked my fuel. Returning to Felicity's garage there was no possible way to remonstrate with the chap so I posted a rant on an obscure forum - something about borders/edges/maybe even frontiers - and the reply I had was "can you not read - there is soooo much stuff about this online".

My stupidity is that

a) I had tried it before and it left me outraged

b) I tried it yet again and I'm now frickin' RAGING!

c) Why the hell should I be looking online to understand what has become a major part of E : D. Surely, SURELY this should be a transparent mechanic that makes the grind worthwhile.

I've just had a four month break from E : D after my first negative experience with engineers. I had always flown in open but since I started again and re-discovered this engineer farce I've been in a PG (19,000+ members but yet to see one) because I would like a level playing field.

Stick it up yr behind Felicity, you'll never see me again.

Hibachi, disgruntled.

How did you get a worse result then your stock module? I have never seen that happen yet.

 

[Flavourless]

If there are any pickled eggs left, I could use them, thanks.

 

[verminstar]

I remember my alfa romeo wasnt great with range either, so I took it far from the voodoo with doctor posing as a bookmaker and took it to an actual real engineer who guaranteed a fixed result with an engine remap or my money back.

Was 170bhp with average 28mpg...now 212bhp and average 34mpg. Thats extremely close to the figures I was quoted before the 'frankenstein experiment' began where they rely on random results

Exact figures and precise engineering...thats why I find the engineers in this game absolutely laughable because it appears they went backwards after a thousand years of evolution...engineering devolved not evolved ^

 

[Deleted member 38366]

Somehow I take it the RNGineer Screen still doesn't indicate
JumpRange - Before applying Mod
JumpRange - After applying Mod

Don't worry, that nonsense was noted and strongly advised for a change during RNGineers Beta already.
Guess what, noone in the team thought modding FSD for Range would have any need for... well... displaying the Range Result in LY. It's only like... the single most critical variable, especially when re-rolling the dice.
Same goes for applying/re-rolling Drive Tuning.

PS.
AFAIK the position of "Common Sense Specialist" is still vacant with Frontier. Apparently noone applied for years, I guess the payment and/or job conditions aren't good.
Otherwise, who'd ever associate the term "Engineering" with RNG in the first place? And the RNG has been tweaked already several times, remember the early days were a total catastrophe.

 

[Aashenfox]

Somehow I take it the RNGineer Screen still doesn't indicate
JumpRange - Before applying Mod
JumpRange - After applying Mod

Don't worry, that nonsense was noted and strongly advised for a change during RNGineers Beta already.
Guess what, noone in the team thought modding FSD for Range would have any need for... well... displaying the Range Result in LY. It's only like... the single most critical variable, especially when re-rolling the dice.
Same goes for applying/re-rolling Drive Tuning.

PS.
AFAIK the position of "Common Sense Specialist" is still vacant with Frontier. Apparently noone applied for years, I guess the payment and/or job conditions aren't good.
Otherwise, who'd ever associate the term "Engineering" with RNG in the first place? And the RNG has been tweaked already several times, remember the early days were a total catastrophe.

I agree with FD that this is hardly a priority. In the case of FSD, one quite quickly comes to realise which is the critical stat, the water is only slightly muddied when you have arbitrary bonuses like max fuel per jump, etc, as they affect very small percentage points. I don't disagree that this data should be displayed, I can definitely live without it though.I also don't think engineers is in a bad place at the moment, I just want materials gathering made less punishing (broker will achieve this).

 

[Sonof Hibachi]

I remember my alfa romeo wasnt great with range either, so I took it far from the voodoo with doctor posing as a bookmaker and took it to an actual real engineer who guaranteed a fixed result with an engine remap or my money back.

Was 170bhp with average 28mpg...now 212bhp and average 34mpg. Thats extremely close to the figures I was quoted before the 'frankenstein experiment' began where they rely on random results

Exact figures and precise engineering...thats why I find the engineers in this game absolutely laughable because it appears they went backwards after a thousand years of evolution...engineering devolved not evolved ^

Just have Sooo much rep for driving an Alfa. I wish I had the balls!

Somehow I take it the RNGineer Screen still doesn't indicate
JumpRange - Before applying Mod
JumpRange - After applying Mod

Don't worry, that nonsense was noted and strongly advised for a change during RNGineers Beta already.
Guess what, noone in the team thought modding FSD for Range would have any need for... well... displaying the Range Result in LY. It's only like... the single most critical variable, especially when re-rolling the dice.
Same goes for applying/re-rolling Drive Tuning.

PS.
AFAIK the position of "Common Sense Specialist" is still vacant with Frontier. Apparently noone applied for years, I guess the payment and/or job conditions aren't good.
Otherwise, who'd ever associate the term "Engineering" with RNG in the first place? And the RNG has been tweaked already several times, remember the early days were a total catastrophe.

This is kind of my point - I have no flipping idea if I have made my ship better until I get back in it and find my jump range is lower.

To be clear, I had already tried to engineer the FSD which led to my extended break after my first failure. And this isn't an "I hate you FD" post, I just don't get the engineering farce. I'm still playing the game (just right now had a worrying landing on a 0.63 grav planet but I got the beast down) but I think engineers ruins the game.

Hibachi, knows 0.63 grav is rubbish but is still slightly proud.

 

[Shiro Akai]

Having already read such threads I was somehow prepared for the heavy toll with Engineers. So before I even attempted anything I hit the road (armed with tips, guides and whatnot) in search for materials. I was hitting "certain" spots and even tho it wasn't enjoyable. That feeling when everyone says it's there but it isn't. Originally I aimed for 50 G5 rolls, ended with 36. And it took me 4 evenings just to gather it. Four evenings wasted, and yes - it felt as wasted time. Not progress, not achievement, not accomplishment. Just wasted.

Luckily I got pretty nice result with just 10 tries so if I ever needed to extend FSD range I already have material for that. Still, not the top what this "feature" has in offer but knowing how tedious gathering is I'll stick with my "upper medium good" result.

Now, I was prepared and didn't liked it. I can't imagine how bad it feels when you attempt Engineers without my preparations.

 

[777Driver]

Somehow I take it the RNGineer Screen still doesn't indicate
JumpRange - Before applying Mod
JumpRange - After applying Mod

.

I appreciate some people struggle with this game, but is really that hard for some to understand the stats? The primary stat to look at is optimal mass. Am struggling to believe the Op had a roll worse than stock.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I appreciate some people struggle with this game, but is really that hard for some to understand the stats? The primary stat to look at is optimal mass. Am struggling to believe the Op had a roll worse than stock.

I call it rubbish too. I just don't believe these threads. Also if you are doing a grade 1, surely you could do loads of them before you run out of ingredients.

 

[777Driver]

I call it rubbish too. I just don't believe these threads. Also if you are doing a grade 1, surely you could do loads of them before you run out of ingredients.

Just typical nonsense on this forum, it's annoying having to sift through all the . Guy's, take 5 mins to understand what each stat means, it's not complicated. Focus on the optimal mass, and understand the benefits and drawbacks from the secondary affects.

I'll admit I didn't fully understand the benefit of the max fuel per jump stat, 30 second search was all it took to figure it out.

 

[Herbrand]

I read the entire post in Plinkett's voice (the character from RedLetterMedia). Did not disappoint.

 

[IndigoWyrd]

Excellent, so we'll all be flying around in (eventually) equalised god-ships with little or no variation between engineered module capabilities from one ship to the next?

Aside from suspecting no one can possibly know how this will ultimately work out, since no one has seen it yet... it would rather level the playing field wouldn't it? Consider: two ships, one with twice the shields of the other, the advantage goes to the higher shield. Now double everyone's shield and the advantage goes right out the window.

 

[Magic Man]

When I last did FSD jump range modifications I'm pretty sure the increase (or decrease) was indicated, if not in pure value then in %'age increase (or decrease)...? Or am I making this up?
It basically boils down to you choosing whether to accepts blue increase values in stats over red decrease values, like it or leave it, but it's not exactly difficult to understand.

 

[CMDR Cosmic Spacehead]

PS.
AFAIK the position of "Common Sense Specialist" is still vacant with Frontier. Apparently noone applied for years, I guess the payment and/or job conditions aren't good.

I'll do that job. I don't care. Anything is better than my job!

And apparently, I have common sense!

Where do I send my CV?

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead