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Aewarin Jameson

Aewarin Jameson
LOL ...

This topic was NOT what I was expecting :eek:

Cool though .. until she said "I think it's something more than ..."

"For a science based organisation let's believe the b******s!" exclaimed my wife upon watching it.

She has a point :)
 
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Alien

Alien
"It must be vibrations from people walking past"

huh? How does that explain the objects not moving?

I won't be surprised if the museum has a small motor in the statue to turn it around, and this is just a publicity stunt to get people to go in and see the moving statue
 

Bloocheez

Bloocheez
The simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

I have seen stuff move when there is a bead of water under them (I assume something to do with the surface tenstion of the water causing a partial vacuum or summink)
what is most likely is that the base is not level - this creates 'rocking' when people walk past causing it to rotate in one direction.

And my my actual quote was 'Ooh we work for a science based organisation so let's believe the b*****s' ;)
 
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Mobius

Mobius
yeah saw that article last week, very interesting almost paranormal.

but like Alien Said "vibrations from people walking past" as it would only do it during the day.
 

Magma

Magma
So she believes that the movement is not some sort of sympathetic vibration?

Someone needs to go upside her spooky-mysticism-invoking head with some cold hard --> SCIENCE <--.
 
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Kipper

K
It was on the One Show yesterday.

It does only move during the day and there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for the rotation - the base is uneven.

Case closed!
 

Alien

Alien
Sorry, but an uneven base does not cause an object to rotate.
If the uneven base is causing it to move, then why isn't it moving sideways?

Here's a test, get something similar to the statue ... put something on it's base ... now get a drill or something that makes vibrations, and hold it against what the object is sitting on ... does it rotate on the spot?

I don't believe that vibrations are what is causing that. It is either a motor in the statue, therefore a hoax, or it's a mystical Egyptian god.
 

DigitalDuck

DigitalDuck
Alien said:
Sorry, but an uneven base does not cause an object to rotate.
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Not true.

If whatever the object is sitting on has a dip or dent, and the object is not uniform (it's not - it's got a figure carved into it for a start), then the object's centre of gravity will tend towards the centre of the dent, and any slight movement will necessarily rotate the object slightly until the heavier side of the statue is facing the dent (at which point there's another slight movement and the heavier side is no longer facing the dent).
 

Alien

Alien
DigitalDuck said:
Not true.

If whatever the object is sitting on has a dip or dent, and the object is not uniform (it's not - it's got a figure carved into it for a start), then the object's centre of gravity will tend towards the centre of the dent, and any slight movement will necessarily rotate the object slightly until the heavier side of the statue is facing the dent (at which point there's another slight movement and the heavier side is no longer facing the dent).
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Again, I ask the question (this time slightly differently) Why does it rotate on the spot?

Your explanation above might explain why it rotates, but there would still be some off center movement, yet the statue in the video rotates exactly on the spot, it doesn't move sideways at all ... not once in any frame. Examine it for your self http://youtu.be/q-jqMcKH4ZI

To follow your explanation, it would turn off center, and then turn again, off center. If the uneven base is in the exact center the statue would not turn.

AND

Another question arises ... why does the statue turn to face the wall AND THEN STOP?
Your explanation would have the statue continue to turn (and don't say people were not walking past, watch the video again)

OK, I have watched this video several times now, and I've noticed a few things :
  • The statue only turns during the day
  • The statue turns when people are walking past it
  • The statue turns when people are not walking past it
  • The statue doesn't turn when people are walking past it
  • The statue doesn't turn when people are not walking past it
  • The statue stopped turning when it faced the wall

So, uneven base + vibrations causing it to turn? Sorry, I don't think so.
I still say, motor in the statue or Egyptian God.
 

DigitalDuck

DigitalDuck
Alien said:
Your explanation above might explain why it rotates, but there would still be some off center movement, yet the statue in the video rotates exactly on the spot, it doesn't move sideways at all ... not once in any frame. Examine it for your self http://youtu.be/q-jqMcKH4ZI
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It doesn't noticeably move, but that doesn't mean it doesn't move.

Alien said:
Another question arises ... why does the statue turn to face the wall AND THEN STOP?
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Because it's facing the dent. It may take a long time before it's moved enough to face away from the dent again.

Alien said:
The statue turns when people are not walking past it
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Didn't see that happen at all.
 

DigitalDuck

DigitalDuck
Alien said:
Then watch the video again very carefully
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Still don't see it.

You do realise each frame is more than a minute apart, right? Even if one frame doesn't have people in it, it means there were no people standing in that area at the exact time that the picture for that frame was taken, not that nobody walked through in that time.
 

metatheurgist

metatheurgist
Alien said:
  • The statue turns when people are walking past it
  • The statue turns when people are not walking past it
  • The statue doesn't turn when people are walking past it
  • The statue doesn't turn when people are not walking past it
  • The statue stopped turning when it faced the wall
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Vibrations could be coming from any number of sources. Traffic, recent road work, shenanigans in the office next door, some electrical equipment humming at the right frequency. Speculation is pointless. Someone should just go and discover the thoroughly mundane cause of the movement (I seriously doubt any supernatural forces are involved but if they are awesome).
 

Magma

Magma
I've seen things like this before. The glass is guaranteed to be flat - after all, it's been floated off a bed of molten tin. All it needs is for the base of the statue to stick out in the centre as a very VERY flat cone, with the point facing downwards, the centre of gravity of the object to be directly over said point in the statue and quite low down, and for the shelves to be exactly level. A vibration can set the statue into a precession, and the direction it precesses is the opposite direction to the apparent direction of rotation (as there is less surface area of the cone than there is flat surface it rolls over).
 

synchromesh

synchromesh
I would have to ask....Once its turned around......Why does it stop !!

The video continues for at least 15 mins at full speed after its become stationary ?
 

Mobius

Mobius
DigitalDuck said:
Still don't see it.

You do realise each frame is more than a minute apart, right? Even if one frame doesn't have people in it, it means there were no people standing in that area at the exact time that the picture for that frame was taken, not that nobody walked through in that time.
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No point arguing with someone who is convinced its paranormal. that like arguing against a religious person showing them the facts about evolution.
 
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