General / Off-Topic Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'?

The energy density is low and very nasty radiation is produced- the containment vessels will be a bigger nightmare than fission waste.

This is incorrect. The waste products of fusion have a tiny half-life compared with fission, and would not have anywhere near the same environmental problems. Plus there is zero risk of reactor meltdowns or byproducts being used for weapons.

Fusion is definitely advancing, but as with any advance as your chart into new territory you find new obstacles. At the moment the biggest issue is finding the right materials to line to tokamak with - materials that don't vaporize and leak cold matter into the reaction chamber. Sustained reactions of a couple of seconds have already taken place in JET, and several minutes will be performed at ITER. This may not sound like much but it's a huge technical achievement, right up there with putting an object into orbit.

As for how to actually take energy out of the plant there are plans for that. It's the most boring part actually - the heated walls of the chamber will vaporize water which will drive a steam turbine, just like in a coal power plant. Ancient technology attached to a super-advanced generator - kinda depressing actually...
 
But seriously I'm not worried. If we do nothing, maybe 50% or so of all humans will die, but natural selection says we'll be smarter afterwards.

Not if the smart ones die.
There is no such thing as direction or progress in evolution.
Evolution is about change, not about improvement.
 
I don't see practical fusion energy ever being realized with balance of energy out.

So you are a naysayer. Very dangerous for the survival of the species! ;)
BTW fusion power is inherently save, the radiation is much lower and there cannot be any nuclear meltdowns or runaway processes. Money spend on research is really negligible compared to military expenditures. In the worst case it advances material science. Also fusion just creates heat that is used for steam power.

PS: Or sorry saw that Darren already answered this challenge correctly :)
 
In the newspaper article of nasa, they say that one of the reasons for the probable disappearance of the present civilization are the inequality. They say that we must first reduce the inequalities. Perhaps we could start by the Great Britain ? As you know, according to research conducted by Oxfam, published Monday in the British press, all the five richest families in Britain accumulate more money than the 12.6 million of more poor people, or 20% of the total population. It is shameful ! Scandalous !

:( :eek: :)
 
In the newspaper article of nasa, they say that one of the reasons for the probable disappearance of the present civilization are the inequality. They say that we must first reduce the inequalities. Perhaps we could start by the Great Britain ? As you know, according to research conducted by Oxfam, published Monday in the British press, all the five richest families in Britain accumulate more money than the 12.6 million of more poor people, or 20% of the total population. It is shameful ! Scandalous !

:( :eek: :)
What are the percentages in France?

Just asking...;)
 
all the five richest families in Britain accumulate more money than the 12.6 million of more poor people, or 20% of the total population.

OWNED :cool:

PS: A bit more seriously, I do think most rich people only want to get richer because it's a kind of game for them. The first thing that would have to be done is promote democratic and independent media and news outlets to have a conversation.
 
Last edited:
What are the percentages in France?

Just asking...;)

This is probably not better. Do not misunderstand. It is like that probably everywhere. I was just talking of the Britain because this is an international information the last few days and I also read that many British people are outraged after these revelations

:)
 
If you've got £10 in your pocket and no debt, you'll be richer than a very large percentage of the population with a mortgage.

It's a really noddy study from Oxfam, who should probably stick to being a charity rather than a political lobbying outfit.

IMHO of course.
 
If you've got £10 in your pocket and no debt, you'll be richer than a very large percentage of the population with a mortgage.

Ah OK, this five families are certainly in this situation then. This is for this reason, they have this reputation to be much richer than 12 million of people.

:D
 
Back
Top Bottom