Astronomy / Space NASA Is About to Announce a Massively Exciting Mars Discovery

Para Handy

Para Handy
Patrick_68000 said:
It is nevertheless simple to understand, made an effort !

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Un1c0rn was, I think, asking the significance of those particular compounds. I can't answer (not a chemist) but there was mention that the fact that all contain sulphur in their make-up might help explain how they have survived in the radiation environment.
 

CMDR Percivus Keenblade

CMDR Percivus Keenblade
Para Handy said:
I can't answer (not a chemist)
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zzZzzZ...ZzzZ. Hmrp!? Wa?..Where?.... Which mortal dares to summon me?

And I think I know a bit about this stuff, considering it was something two years ago I took part in an astromicrobiology research. And thesis. Article stuff. Ehh, you know how that is.

Anyhow, the big deal with crossing paths with organic molecules in space is... basically no big deal at all. N, S, O, C, H all that are pretty common stuff to find around and theres no suprise in finding out they sticked together to form some solid molecules. Also, whoever called a bunch of bad smelling tiny aliphatic compounds complex molecules needs a big boop on the nose. You can even quiet commonly find huge fullerenes or polycyclic aromatics in space, all kinds of organics or N or Si flavored intriguing molecules or water and whole bunch of junk like sugars or other core DNA material lying around on top of moons, planets, astroids or just floating around nebulas, let alone finding these bunch of small fragments. Finding these on Mars surface alone means not much by itself really, specially since you can't be sure where they came from. They could've been sitting there for a quiet long time, they could've landed there together with a piece of flying rock from outer space or else. Now the thing is, radiation is full bloom on top of Mars. And well, simply put this radiation gets absorbed by molecules out there which end up getting their bonds broken by that energy. And most molecules aren't that solid in bonds by elemental composition to be able to witstand that without breaking up. I think the researchers are suspecting these small bunch of molecules here can be taken as an indication for a theory of existance of larger molecules that MAY BE part of a living system who existed there somehow under water or such, that got broken with that energy. I assume they might be dying to be able to dig even deeper to that surface at this point. And also we kinda take organic molecules as a sign for life because well, thats what how we saw about how living things work.

Sooo I'm kinda loosing where this text is going, so I want to add this; it's not uncommon to find elements, organic compounds or complex compounds in space. It's obviously a very big deal to find sentient beings in space but apart from that it's no big deal to find simple living entities out there. Really, it's statistically absolute madness to claim living things should not be commonly found around the galaxy, it would be one heck of a thing to explain why the heck then life exists on earth if so (tho that would also bring different studies), buuut you can't exactly claim theres certainly life out there due lack of data at the moment :) Even our close neighbours Titan and Europa from our Sol are pretty much certainly carrying life (you will witness how much a fuss will people and media will make when researchers land their feet on them in a couple years from now, currently, as countdown goes). What really matters the most with the living stuff is to be able to get hold of some varied and good specimens, so we can finally have a different tree to look at to speculate some ideas apart from staring at the same ol' single tree of life from Earth. We studied that tree for the last 50-60 years at large and I get chills when I think that we can finally have another tree we can compare our tree with so we can conclude some good data and try to see the similarities and differences of how evolution goes on different places and etc(omg theres going to be sooo many metabolic pathways and systems to compare and study!). This is the big deal of finding living things in space. And thats also why I often can't figure what the ultimate big deal that means to a citizen getting excited about this who isn't a biochemist. When we get the samples of life that originated from a different planet, we will make some more assumptions about how things might be running and perhaps some new explanations to abiogenesis, which all are ultimately just about biochemistry. Think people are rather inspired a bit unrealistically by all the sci-fi and media is milking that a bit :)

PS: Hope I didnt wrote down too much of an incomprehensible text with a lot of grammar mistakes. Sorry! Been too long since I slept atm.
 

lysan

lysan
CMDR Percivus Keenblade said:
zzZzzZ...ZzzZ. Hmrp!? Wa?..Where?.... Which mortal dares to summon me?

And I think I know a bit about this stuff, considering it was something two years ago I took part in an astromicrobiology research. And thesis. Article stuff. Ehh, you know how that is.

Anyhow, the big deal with crossing paths with organic molecules in space is... basically no big deal at all. N, S, O, C, H all that are pretty common stuff to find around and theres no suprise in finding out they sticked together to form some solid molecules. Also, whoever called a bunch of bad smelling tiny aliphatic compounds complex molecules needs a big boop on the nose. You can even quiet commonly find huge fullerenes or polycyclic aromatics in space, all kinds of organics or N or Si flavored intriguing molecules or water and whole bunch of junk like sugars or other core DNA material lying around on top of moons, planets, astroids or just floating around nebulas, let alone finding these bunch of small fragments. Finding these on Mars surface alone means not much by itself really, specially since you can't be sure where they came from. They could've been sitting there for a quiet long time, they could've landed there together with a piece of flying rock from outer space or else. Now the thing is, radiation is full bloom on top of Mars. And well, simply put this radiation gets absorbed by molecules out there which end up getting their bonds broken by that energy. And most molecules aren't that solid in bonds by elemental composition to be able to witstand that without breaking up. I think the researchers are suspecting these small bunch of molecules here can be taken as an indication for a theory of existance of larger molecules that MAY BE part of a living system who existed there somehow under water or such, that got broken with that energy. I assume they might be dying to be able to dig even deeper to that surface at this point. And also we kinda take organic molecules as a sign for life because well, thats what how we saw about how living things work.

Sooo I'm kinda loosing where this text is going, so I want to add this; it's not uncommon to find elements, organic compounds or complex compounds in space. It's obviously a very big deal to find sentient beings in space but apart from that it's no big deal to find simple living entities out there. Really, it's statistically absolute madness to claim living things should not be commonly found around the galaxy, it would be one heck of a thing to explain why the heck then life exists on earth if so (tho that would also bring different studies), buuut you can't exactly claim theres certainly life out there due lack of data at the moment :) Even our close neighbours Titan and Europa from our Sol are pretty much certainly carrying life (you will witness how much a fuss will people and media will make when researchers land their feet on them in a couple years from now, currently, as countdown goes). What really matters the most with the living stuff is to be able to get hold of some varied and good specimens, so we can finally have a different tree to look at to speculate some ideas apart from staring at the same ol' single tree of life from Earth. We studied that tree for the last 50-60 years at large and I get chills when I think that we can finally have another tree we can compare our tree with so we can conclude some good data and try to see the similarities and differences of how evolution goes on different places and etc(omg theres going to be sooo many metabolic pathways and systems to compare and study!). This is the big deal of finding living things in space. And thats also why I often can't figure what the ultimate big deal that means to a citizen getting excited about this who isn't a biochemist. When we get the samples of life that originated from a different planet, we will make some more assumptions about how things might be running and perhaps some new explanations to abiogenesis, which all are ultimately just about biochemistry. Think people are rather inspired a bit unrealistically by all the sci-fi and media is milking that a bit :)

PS: Hope I didnt wrote down too much of an incomprehensible text with a lot of grammar mistakes. Sorry! Been too long since I slept atm.
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I’m not saying it’s aliens, but it could be aliens :D
 

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You know I do sincerely believe the voice in my head is an ET.

I know it's not strictly related to the topic at hand, but I do expect alien life of some sort to be confirmed within my lifetime.

I'm 24 in a few weeks, so I'm going nowhere for a while!
 
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