PvP Need advice to meet a pvp challenge

DarthRavadge

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So in my group of players I am pretty well known as the guy to go talk to about engineering questions and loadouts for pve. In PvP my experience is limited to fending off the occasional gank attempt.
Now we have a new guy that wants to challenge me to some 1v1 in his Conda. So far he has beaten everyone I know and I'd like to take him down a peg or two.
I play on xb1 so I think I am better off bringing another big ship to meet him. I don't have the precision movement of a HOTAS that a small manueverable ship would benefit from the most.
So that leaves me with Cutter or Corvette. I am leaning more towards the cutter but either works.

Can I get some advice on loadouts and tactics please? I have not paid attention to what the pvp meta is in ages.

My thoughts so far
C4 fixed focused pulse - phasing
2x C3 fixed focused pulse - phasing
4x C2 gimballed ammo cap frags - 2x screening, 2x drag

Is this good? or Scrap it and do something else?

I'm running prismatics and 8 boosters but should I equip a few heat sinks? Two? Three?

Help me beat this guy please!! He doesn't need to inflate his ego any higher by winning against his final opponent in our player group.
 

jasonbarron

jasonbarron
DarthRavadge said:
So in my group of players I am pretty well known as the guy to go talk to about engineering questions and loadouts for pve. In PvP my experience is limited to fending off the occasional gank attempt.
Now we have a new guy that wants to challenge me to some 1v1 in his Conda. So far he has beaten everyone I know and I'd like to take him down a peg or two.
I play on xb1 so I think I am better off bringing another big ship to meet him. I don't have the precision movement of a HOTAS that a small manueverable ship would benefit from the most.
So that leaves me with Cutter or Corvette. I am leaning more towards the cutter but either works.

Can I get some advice on loadouts and tactics please? I have not paid attention to what the pvp meta is in ages.

My thoughts so far
C4 fixed focused pulse - phasing
2x C3 fixed focused pulse - phasing
4x C2 gimballed ammo cap frags - 2x screening, 2x drag

Is this good? or Scrap it and do something else?

I'm running prismatics and 8 boosters but should I equip a few heat sinks? Two? Three?

Help me beat this guy please!! He doesn't need to inflate his ego any higher by winning against his final opponent in our player group.
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I hate to be a wet blanket, but my advice would be to have him agree to a small or medium ship fight in stock ships, (or limit the loadout to one mod like they do in the PvP tournaments). Right now, you guys are just setting up the most boring, expensive, no skill fight you can think of that's only going to prove who took more time to grind mats. Big ship fights are just boring reverski matches anyway where you both take turns seeing who can facetank better.
 

StiTch

StiTch
jasonbarron said:
I hate to be a wet blanket, but my advice would be to have him agree to a small or medium ship fight in stock ships, (or limit the loadout to one mod like they do in the PvP tournaments). Right now, you guys are just setting up the most boring, expensive, no skill fight you can think of that's only going to prove who took more time to grind mats. Big ship fights are just boring reverski matches anyway where you both take turns seeing who can facetank better.
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Much better than the advice I was about to give.

I can't remember their exact name but there's an xBone faction called Church of the Flying Space Cat or something similar, and their signature duel ships are iEagles, for this exact reason.

Either way though I'd be careful using a primarily fixed loadout if you aren't used to using them. PvP is easily as much about your evasion as it is your firepower, and if your opponent can evade they will be much harder to hit than an NPC, particularly remembering you should try evade while trying to hit them.
 

jasonbarron

jasonbarron
StiTch said:
Much better than the advice I was about to give.

I can't remember their exact name but there's an xBone faction called Church of the Flying Space Cat or something similar, and their signature duel ships are iEagles, for this exact reason.

Either way though I'd be careful using a primarily fixed loadout if you aren't used to using them. PvP is easily as much about your evasion as it is your firepower, and if your opponent can evade they will be much harder to hit than an NPC, particularly remembering you should try evade while trying to hit them.
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You know, if I had some Big Three dependent PvEr wanting to duel me, I'd bring my Rinzler style Vulture armed with TLB APA's set on separate triggers and spam him so bad with target lock breakers that he either had a nervous breakdown and begged me to quit hitting him, or just clogged while screaming that I was cheating. That sounds like a lot of fun actually.

Edit: found the video that inspired my comment. This one never gets old:
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StiTch

StiTch
jasonbarron said:
You know, if I had some Big Three dependent PvEr wanting to duel me, I'd bring my Rinzler style Vulture armed with TLB APA's set on separate triggers and spam him so bad with target lock breakers that he either had a nervous breakdown and begged me to quit hitting him, or just clogged while screaming that I was cheating. That sounds like a lot of fun actually.
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The Chieftain sounds like an excellent APA beast...dual APAs, C2 rail, three C1 missile racks or cannons. Haven't bought one yet but plan to give it a helluva go; it has a really attractive weapon array.

Side note, I believe you are back to playing ED now, so I might have to cross broadswords with you in the moonlight some time soon :)

I'll be struggling with a cheap stick though, as I kind of may have definitely broken my Warthog stick. How does one even do that? They were supposed to be bombproof -_-
 

jasonbarron

jasonbarron
StiTch said:
The Chieftain sounds like an excellent APA beast...dual APAs, C2 rail, three C1 missile racks or cannons. Haven't bought one yet but plan to give it a helluva go; it has a really attractive weapon array.

Side note, I believe you are back to playing ED now, so I might have to cross broadswords with you in the moonlight some time soon :)

I'll be struggling with a cheap stick though, as I kind of may have definitely broken my Warthog stick. How does one even do that? They were supposed to be bombproof -_-
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I just picked up the controls about a week ago after my long break. Yeah, the Chief is a fun, effective ship to fly. That's what I'm in now, can't hardly pry me out of the darn thing. Get your stick sorted out and come to San Tu:)
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Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
I'm by no means an expert at PVP, but if he going with Anaconda then either something that is very fast (clipper, cobra, ieagle, icourier) or something that can dance (vulture, eagle).

Don't fight on his terms. Fight on yours. Control the engagement.

The Anaconda has a massive blindspot. If you can get there and stay there, then you can hit him, even with weak weapons, and he won't be able to hit you back.

If he is known to use reverskii, then a much faster ship than his can ruin his plans. As long as you can go foward much faster than he can reverskii, he's boned. Just rememeber to jink around as you approach him so he can't get easy shots on you.

Now i await those more knowledgable than me to tell me that you know nothing Agony.
 

znôrt

znôrt
DarthRavadge said:
Help me beat this guy please!!
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first, jasonbarron just gave you excellent advice.

i would add you seem to be trapped in a contradiction. you seem to love the engineering puzzle. well, pvp in elite with engineers is exactly about that same puzzle (and a mind numbing grind to enable it). it's the exact reason why for me (a pvp lover) pvp is completely uninteresting in elite, but since you seem fond of that stuff ... just go ahead and get some practice! there is no shame in getting blown up fairly and you could learn something about a topic you seem to like.
 

RagingxPenguin

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Agonys last sentence already explained it.


You're fighting a spread sheet. Unless you have similar DPS or the pilot is a total idjut you aren't winning. Speed helps when there's more than just one target in instance, but in a 1 v 1 you'd be surprised how easy it can be to pull a bit of range and get some hits in on faster ships while in the Anaconda. Trying to kill a half well built Anaconda in a vulture would take ages.


8 boosters, no banks? Are you hot banking? Looks like MJ build. Thermal resistances are good or no?

Engineer a Vette. Load it with cannons and a feedback rail with Prismatics and two banks. 7 boosters, one sink and double bank, you can drop a booster for another heat sink and two more 6 banks if you can run your modules list decently (swapping banks mid fight) You have more shields than the Anaconda and similar DPS.

I'd fight in a medium personally.


Send where you guys are. CG is boring. We can come visit.
 

DarthRavadge

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Ok....

I never said it is going to be an exciting fight. As I said I am playing on an xbox controller. That means limited manuverability. It will be a big ship fight because anything smaller wont last long if he gets me in his sights. I need to tank my way through this and make him sweat with my experimental effects.

@RagingPenguin - thank you. Yes, the shield setup I have now is for pve so I honestly never need to bank. I can switch it around for mj, or pure resist at any time I was going to go balanced keeping the resist around 50%. Swapping banks mid fight is no problem for me. What modifications do you recommend on the cannons?

Lol, I am on xbox as I mentioned, if you are too I'll invite you to observe. I've still got a couple days though so I can go slap whatever I want on and give it a test.
 

RagingxPenguin

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Dealers choice.
If he's gimballed a dispersal cannon, heat cannon for banks, overcharged everything

Controller isn't really an excuse.

Experimentals won't matter. Chances are if you both aren't super PvP savvy the fight is going to be a 4-0-2 face tank. Basically whoever has a better spread sheet wins
 

DarthRavadge

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Well this guy IS pvp savvy, but ok. I'll come up with something.
Controller is a bit of a handicap. I can fly 10x better with a stick and pedals. Unfortunately I need to buy a new one. With my old thrustmaster I could make my FDL dance. On a controller it feels like playing afterburner on NES. You have to keep switching flight modes just to do basic yaw manuevers.
 

Electric Kite

Electric Kite
DarthRavadge said:
That was the agreement. Big ship fight. I'm not worried about the rebuy if I loose. Got 2.5b with nothing to spend it on besides guns, ammo, repairs, and rebuys.
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If you have a corvette...stick two huge PAs on there and the rest turreted pulse (except the two small hardpoints on the nose) and say by bye conda. He is so easy to hit with the PAs it will be like a cakewalk.
Stick two small rail guns also with feedback cascade for when uses his SCB and hes toast.
 
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jasonbarron

jasonbarron
StiTch said:
The Chieftain sounds like an excellent APA beast...dual APAs, C2 rail, three C1 missile racks or cannons. Haven't bought one yet but plan to give it a helluva go; it has a really attractive weapon array.

Side note, I believe you are back to playing ED now, so I might have to cross broadswords with you in the moonlight some time soon :)

I'll be struggling with a cheap stick though, as I kind of may have definitely broken my Warthog stick. How does one even do that? They were supposed to be bombproof -_-
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vindelanos said:
It's almost 2020, you guys don't have to talk in code anymore :)
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I call it "touching tips" but I guess that's still kind of code, isn't it?
 

Zalacious

Z
If you want to cheese him, run a cutter with long range modified weapons. With the cutter you will be able to dictate range against his anaconda.
 

nosleepdemon

nosleepdemon
Cheese him in a cutter with reverb cascade torpedoes. Load yourself down with hull hp and ram him to death once his shield generator explodes.
 
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