New AX Weapons aren't cool enough.

[DemiserofD]

Something to bear in mind, Fdev, is that the traditional AX weapons just aren't very cool.

A big part of why the original Salvation weapons are fun is because they're really cool. Even the gatling gauss, despite being mediocre, is still cool in how it operates, and the shards and plasmas are cool glowy blue plasma.

By contrast, the ax weapons are quite boring, basically the most standard weapons to exist, and therefore just aren't that fun to use. If you're going to keep going for them, I'd invite you to make the modifications for them cooler.

For example, maybe a missile rack that shoots a bunch of missiles at once with some spread and the missiles swerve around a bit. Alternatively, a multicannon that has a windup so you need to hold the trigger for a bit before it reaches its max fire rate, but then shoots really really fast.

By making these weapons more cool, they could be more fun, and fun is a big part of having them be enjoyable to use, not just raw stats.

 

[Dillon Fallon]

Well the general reason you can't have stupidly overpowered weapons in this game (energy bombs, lore accurate plasma accelerators etc.) is because they'd be ridiculous against other players.

However- AX damage based weapons are next to useless at damaging other players, so here we have a section of the game fenced off perfectly for ship mounted BFG 9000s and other things that make big, satisfying explosions.

Personally I'm happy that the AX multicannons are getting some love because it makes them a better starting weapon for people who haven't got the guardian stuff. Still makes them a starting weapon IMO.

 

[LordLocksley]

Well the general reason you can't have stupidly overpowered weapons in this game (energy bombs, lore accurate plasma accelerators etc.) is because they'd be ridiculous against other players.

However- AX damage based weapons are next to useless at damaging other players, so here we have a section of the game fenced off perfectly for ship mounted BFG 9000s and other things that make big, satisfying explosions.

Personally I'm happy that the AX multicannons are getting some love because it makes them a better starting weapon for people who haven't got the guardian stuff. Still makes them a starting weapon IMO.

While I mostly agree, I have to say that the newest Azimuth sponsored Pre-Engineered AX Multicannons are nowhere near a "starting weapon", if only because they need to be unlocked on a single per-item basis on a tech broker, with lots of materials that can only be farmed from Thargoids themselves. So they cannot be purchased by novice AX pilots just getting into the fray...

 

[Dillon Fallon]

While I mostly agree, I have to say that the newest Azimuth sponsored Pre-Engineered AX Multicannons are nowhere near a "starting weapon", if only because they need to be unlocked on a single per-item basis on a tech broker, with lots of materials that can only be farmed from Thargoids themselves. So they cannot be purchased by novice AX pilots just getting into the fray...

Yeah, I'm probably thinking more about where they should be, opposed to where they are. If it's a choice of fetching a bunch of stuff for doing upgrades for AX gameplay, multicannons would be the last on my list because they should be the starter weapon.

I mean, we can get long range plasma chargers. I'm not spending time upgrading multicannons when those exist.

 

[Helmut Grokenberger]

I was going to reply something along the lines of "the higher heat generation of the Azimuth AXMCs is the price for endless dakka", but then I realized you meant cool and not cold.

 

[Shadowsnog]

no cool, only dakka!
i personaly like that elite is keeping the organic sim-like vibe instead of the fortnite no mans sky silly cartoon.
right now there are solid, hard, down to earth human weapons as well as cool, flashy and glowy guardian ones. balance of the cosmos is mantained.
you just wait when we will start adapting thargoid stuff

 

[Helmut Grokenberger]

I want an Interceptor exhaust so I can flatulate at the ships behind me.

 

[Cmdr Esteban]

I want an Interceptor exhaust so I can flatulate at the ships behind me.

Frontier’s sound devs could do wonders with such a module.

 

[St0rmFury]

We could repurpose shock cannons for AX combat.

 

[Shadowsnog]

We could repurpose shock cannons for AX combat.

would be nice if they wre something like cytoscramblers for taking down shield

 

[Pville_Piper]

I want an Interceptor exhaust so I can flatulate at the ships behind me.

I'm afraid such weapons were banned at some long-forgotten peace convention decades ago... Besides, do you really think the goids would take that sitting down?

 

[Cmdr Esteban]

Besides, do you really think the goids would take that sitting down?

No, they’d lean to one side and then say ‘ah, that’s better’.

 

[HansAcker]

No, they’d lean to one side and then say ‘ah, that’s better’.

Maybe that is their mode of communication and we just don't realize it.

To the topic, ARX-customizations for individual weapons (and multicannons)! I can only select a single colour for all my lasers.

 

[Tividar]

Something to bear in mind, Fdev, is that the traditional AX weapons just aren't very cool.

A big part of why the original Salvation weapons are fun is because they're really cool. Even the gatling gauss, despite being mediocre, is still cool in how it operates, and the shards and plasmas are cool glowy blue plasma.

By contrast, the ax weapons are quite boring, basically the most standard weapons to exist, and therefore just aren't that fun to use. If you're going to keep going for them, I'd invite you to make the modifications for them cooler.

For example, maybe a missile rack that shoots a bunch of missiles at once with some spread and the missiles swerve around a bit. Alternatively, a multicannon that has a windup so you need to hold the trigger for a bit before it reaches its max fire rate, but then shoots really really fast.

By making these weapons more cool, they could be more fun, and fun is a big part of having them be enjoyable to use, not just raw stats.

Not withstanding earlier discussions about eliminating the AX damage type in favor of AP, they should have added an experimental modification to convert existing human-tech weapons to AX functionality a long time ago.

 

[Ned Flandalorian]

would be nice if they wre something like cytoscramblers for taking down shield

There is... actual cytoscramblers. Their shields work exactly the same as human shields, you don't need AX weapons to take them down.

 

[St0rmFury]

There is... actual cytoscramblers. Their shields work exactly the same as human shields, you don't need AX weapons to take them down.

Yea, my AX challenger has 3 LR cytos for deleting thargoid shields so my modshard buddies can delete their hull.

But the panic shield mechanic sometimes gets in the way.

 

[Shadowsnog]

There is... actual cytoscramblers. Their shields work exactly the same as human shields, you don't need AX weapons to take them down.

Spoiler: pic

im a stubborn winters boi...

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

Well the general reason you can't have stupidly overpowered weapons in this game (energy bombs, lore accurate plasma accelerators etc.) is because they'd be ridiculous against other players.

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True, then again we have engineers with stupidly overpowered effects, so....

 

[Old_Man_Steve]

A better remote flack cannon would be great. Outpost battles would become a bit easier.
Either that or PDS that targets thargoid swarms and missiles.
If we could get a new weapon that opens the hydra's hearts in 2 or 3 shots, that'd be tops.

 

[CR33P]

no cool, only dakka!
i personaly like that elite is keeping the organic sim-like vibe instead of the fortnite no mans sky silly cartoon.
right now there are solid, hard, down to earth human weapons as well as cool, flashy and glowy guardian ones. balance of the cosmos is mantained.
you just wait when we will start adapting thargoid stuff

"i personaly like that elite is keeping the organic sim-like vibe instead of the fortnite no mans sky silly cartoon"

I think there's a perfectly achievable middle-ground here. Take a look at recent Armored Core 6 trailers for weapons done "holy shiznit awesome" without being cartoonish. I appreciate the scale is smaller but I think there's some "cool" lessons to be learned about sci-fi weaponry