NEW DLC - The most underepresented part of the world - South-East Asia DLC

nutrit

nutrit
I would kindly love to ask Frontier to consider a South-East Asian DLC - for me it is the most underestimated and underepresented part of the world in the game.

I also hope that for the one year anniversary / holiday time the DLC could contain more animals than usual.

My dream list would contain:
  • 12 habitat animals
  • 3 exibit animals
  • new South-East Asian theme buildings and archtecture elements

Habitat Animals:

Binturong
Asian small-clawed otter
Clouded leopard
Sun bear

Banteng
Anoa
Malayan tapir
Babirusa

Tufted black makaque
Lar Gibbon
Red-shanked Douc
Proboscis monkey

Exibit Animals:

King kobra
Water dragon
Asian horned frog
 
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NZFanatic

NZFanatic
I doubt we'd see a DLC of this scale for such a niche area. If we ever see DLC that big I expect it will be in broader strokes. Still, a SE Asia pack with four habitat animals and one exhibit animal, following the current pattern, would be nice anyway. I'd probably pick the clouded leopard, Visayan warty pig, binturong, and siamang for the habitat animals. I imagine gibbons would be quite difficult to do due to their brachiation (which is currently missing in the orangutans anyway). It seems like it would be pretty challenging to animate.
 

PnGLINNyo

PnGLINNyo
NZFanatic said:
I doubt we'd see a DLC of this scale for such a niche area. If we ever see DLC that big I expect it will be in broader strokes. Still, a SE Asia pack with four habitat animals and one exhibit animal, following the current pattern, would be nice anyway. I'd probably pick the clouded leopard, Visayan warty pig, binturong, and siamang for the habitat animals. I imagine gibbons would be quite difficult to do due to their brachiation (which is currently missing in the orangutans anyway). It seems like it would be pretty challenging to animate.
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Perhaps they could add brachiation animations via pre patch upon release of Asia/ SE Asia Pack, though agreeably its an overhaul of work for them developers 😥😓
 

markun

markun
A big pack like that would be amazing but I think it’s unlikely. If I had to pick just four ‘habitat species‘ for a SE pack I would go for

  • Malayan tapir
  • Asian small-clawed otter
  • Sun bear
  • Proboscis monkey

The proboscis monkey isn’t widely spread in captivity but it fits in with the quirky option slot and is an interesting species. Would happily substitute a gibbon or langur species though. I think we really need aviary style enclosures for the clouded leopard, certainly I’ve never seen them in open top enclosures.

We do have quite a few species from SE Asia though:

Chinese pangolin - Myanmar, northern Thailand, Laos and Vietnam.

Komodo dragon - Indonesia

Saltwater crocodile - found throughout SE Asia

Indian elephant - despite its name, this subspecies is the elephant found in Myanmar, Thailand, the Malay peninsula, Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam.

Bornean orangutan - Malaysia and Indonesia

Asian black bear - the subspecies identified in the game is the Formosan black bear but the subspecies don’t differ dramatically and at species level are found in Myanmar, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam.

Southern cassowary - Indonesia

I’ll ignore the Bengal tiger but there are arguments that all mainland Asia tiger populations form one subspecies but taxonomy is not my area of expertise.
 

NL_Mutso

NL_Mutso
I don't think Sout-East Asia is the most underrepresented parts of the world.

(for me that would be Europe and North America)

I think Asia (and Africa) have the luxury of having exotic/popular species, so even when they add 10 - that still wouldn't feel enough.

Would consider just naming it an Asian DLC - picking specific areas as a DLC name will create a discussion why other specific popular areas are not addressed.
 

nutrit

nutrit
Ok
NL_Mutso said:
I don't think Sout-East Asia is the most underrepresented parts of the world.

(for me that would be Europe and North America)

I think Asia (and Africa) have the luxury of having exotic/popular species, so even when they add 10 - that still wouldn't feel enough.

Would consider just naming it an Asian DLC - picking specific areas as a DLC name will create a discussion why other specific popular areas are not addressed.
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We already have so much animals from NA that I don’t think It’s fair to compare it to SEA.
Europe is a bit dull And brown for me so if it will happen I’m ok with that but not really crazy about the idea.

SEA for me is represented in the game only by the orangutan and Asian elephant for now and it is even more diverse than the africa for me. So, I really do hope they will cook up some bigger DLC representing this amazingly diverse region.
 

NL_Mutso

NL_Mutso
nutrit said:
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We already have so much animals from NA that I don’t think It’s fair to compare it to SEA.
Europe is a bit dull And brown for me so if it will happen I’m ok with that but not really crazy about the idea.

SEA for me is represented in the game only by the orangutan and Asian elephant for now and it is even more diverse than the africa for me. So, I really do hope they will cook up some bigger DLC representing this amazingly diverse region.
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I think it's fair - Markun mentioned a couple of species.
South East Asia got a lot of attention compared to other parts of Asia.

Asia has a decent representation in the game - it really needs more animals (that's an argument for every continent :D )
If they would go with Asia again, i hope they address all directions (North/East/South/West)
Narrowing it down to only a specific part of a continent - not a big fan of that.

I think some of the animals in the OP could easily fit in a different category as well.
 

VetGirl330

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NL_Mutso said:
Narrowing it down to only a specific part of a continent - not a big fan of that.
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Personally I would much rather see regional packs. With the current format of very small DLC it is absolutely impossible to try to represent an entire continent. The South American pack is a perfect example; it doesn't represent any of the diverse ecoregions of the continent giving us a disparate pack with species there are next to useless when trying to create a themed area in a zoo.
For example I think South America would have better been represented by an Amazon pack (+/- pantanal), and maybe an Andes pack and some combination of patagonia/ pampas/ caatinga/ cerrado pack. For Asia I think Southeast Asia (+/- Indonesia) absolutely warrants its own pack. At a minimum I would like to a see a separate Asia pack for Mongolia/ steppes region, but other areas such as the Himalayas and Indian subcontinent would also be great.
 
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NZFanatic

NZFanatic
VetGirl330 said:
Personally I would much rather see regional packs. With the current format of very small DLC it is absolutely impossible to try to represent an entire continent. The South American pack is a perfect example; it doesn't represent any of the diverse ecoregions of the continent giving us a disparate pack with species there are next to useless when trying to create a themed area in a zoo.
For example I think South America would have better been represented by an Amazon pack (+/- pantanal), and maybe an Andes pack and some combination of patagonia/ pampas/ caatinga/ cerrado pack. For Asia I think Southeast Asia (+/- Indonesia) absolutely warrants its own pack. At a minimum I would like to a see a separate Asia pack for Mongolia/ steppes region, but other areas such as the Himalayas and Indian subcontinent would also be great.
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I agree with this wholeheartedly but I think that ship has unfortunately sailed by now.

If they were willing to split each continent into say three different regions, and give us four (plus one exhibit) animals per region, that would eventually culminate in 12 habitat animals and three exhibit animals per continent, which is a much healthier mix. Arctic is nigh impossible to include in this situation, but the others should be possible.

Could be something like this:

- South America (Amazon, Andes, Patagonia/Pampas).
- Oceania (Outback, Islands, Endangered Marsupials).
- Asia (India, Japan, Southeast Asia).
- Africa (North Africa, Congo, Kopje).
- North America (Southwest Deserts, Cold North, Woodlands).
- Outliers (Europe, North Asia/Asian Steppe, Middle East).

Still a bit convoluted, I admit, but it would provide a broad range of animals. We'd end up with an additional 72 habitat and 18 exhibit animals by the end and this also ignores the possibility of some kind of coastal-theme pack or aviary pack or whatever else, which could provide even more.
 

Jeminyne

Jeminyne
With risk of just repeating everyone else in this thread-- I think SE Asia is actually the second best represented after Africa? But yeah, Asia in general is as under-represented as Australia and South America are at this point. Especially when it comes to the massive biodiversity of those 3 continents.

I agree with binturongs, monkey species, sun bears, and clouded leopards being awesome choices for a SE Asia pack! But I think Asia in general has bigger gaps right now-- think about how great it'd be to have axis deer and crane species, for pretty East Asian areas! And northern/central Asia like Russia and the Himalaya are big gaps too. And oh my gosh, India! For me, my biggest priorities are deer, cranes or spoonbills, Douc Langur or Indian Langur, Proboscis monkey, Binturongs, Amur or Indian leopards, Indian ungulates like the Nilgai or Blackbuck, and central ungulates like the Takin or Himalayan Tahr. (you should look those two up if you've never heard of them, they're interesting looking animals!)

I suspect best case scenario is we get an "Asia" pack, and then they start doing biome-based packs and other Asian animals can be covered in those. I'm really starving for more South and North American animals too...
 
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VetGirl330

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Jeminyne said:
And oh my gosh, India!
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I think India is quite well represented too. But it doesn't mean I don't want more. Blackbuck and Nilgai are both needed. Sarus crane, Indian bustard, or a vulture would be great. For exhibits I would prioritize a Cobra and the Gooty Sapphire Tarantula.

Bengal Tiger (EN)
Indian Elephant (EN)
Indian Peafowl (LC)
Indian Rhinoceros (VU)
Gharial (CR)
Giant Forest Scorpion

And I don't disagree that based on game standards we have a fair number of SE asian species, but it is one of the most diverse regions in the world and is still poorly represented. My number one wish for the game is a gibbon with brachiation animations. I can dream right ;-)

For Asia I would prioritize Central asia (Mongolian steppe, Tibetan plateau) as more temperate and alpine animals would help round out the game at the moment. Definitely the Przewalski's Wild Horse (zoo staple), Pallas cat or Tibetan fox, Tibetan antelope or Saiga (neither in captivity but both such majestic animals) vs. Thorold's White Lipped Deer (which is held in captivity), and Black-necked crane.
 

markun

markun
Jeminyne said:
central ungulates like the Takin or Himalayan Tahr. (you should
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I love takins and they would be a great choice. I would also like the bharal and markhor although it's unlikely we'd get them all, at least not in one pack.

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Definitely the Przewalski's Wild Horse (zoo staple), Pallas cat or Tibetan fox, Tibetan antelope or Saiga (neither in captivity but both such majestic animals) vs. Thorold's White Lipped Deer (which is held in captivity), and Black-necked crane.
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Almaty Zoo in Kazakhstan has saiga and they are also kept - technically in captivity but with a great deal of freedom - at Askaniya Nova in Ukraine. I believe Moscow Zoo’s breeding centre keeps them but that isn’t open to the public.

I think the saiga would be an interesting addition as they are held in captivity however rarely but I think I'd prefer something more commonly found in zoos like the yak. Not as interesting I admit. But I feel the Tibetan antelope and fox, as animals which aren’t found in captivity at all wouldn’t be good choices. Instead maybe corsac fox or dhole and as you suggest, white-lipped deer, or musk deer.

I’d love some cranes and they would work perfectly well with the current game mechanics.
 

Jeminyne

Jeminyne
VetGirl330 said:
I think India is quite well represented too. But it doesn't mean I don't want more. Blackbuck and Nilgai are both needed. Sarus crane, Indian bustard, or a vulture would be great. For exhibits I would prioritize a Cobra and the Gooty Sapphire Tarantula.

Bengal Tiger (EN)
Indian Elephant (EN)
Indian Peafowl (LC)
Indian Rhinoceros (VU)
Gharial (CR)
Giant Forest Scorpion
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You're right, I don't know why I forgot how many Indian animals there are. :unsure: Especially when I was playing with the Indian temple scenario zoo, and put all the Indian animals in it. Cobra, Nilgai, Blackbuck, an Indian monkey species, and the Indian Giant Squirrel are all top of my wishlist. Those bird you listed sound great too!
 

Brandon Gill

Brandon Gill
I think European animals should be
The European Bison
European Green Lizard: Exhibit
European Wild Boar
European Badger
Mouflon Sheep

Those are just some of the animals I don’t know all of them off the top of my head.
 
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