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New Guardian Structure - Vela Dark Region IW-W b1-3
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great find! this looks like one of the ruined sites of the new structures. so no puzzle on this one. but that is a good thing I found for recourse farming.
I just parked outside of one, killed sentries, collect data and materials, board ship, log off and back again and repeat until you have enough!!
I just parked outside of one, killed sentries, collect data and materials, board ship, log off and back again and repeat until you have enough!!
I'm not surprised it's not on Canonn's list. No disrespect to them but I've personally heard from a lot of people I trust that Canonn barely does any actual research but supposedly takes credit for others works and discoveries without giving proper credit except on occasion. I'm not gonna name any names incase it's false (which gives my opinion no real weight as a result) but I really don't like them now since people I trust don't like them.
That said great find OP and excellent work on your part. Players like you make this game great!
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Care to do something more than spam two letters a couple of times? People I play and fly with made the statements, I looked into it myself and found it to be true, thus I have some animosity towards another group as a result (not just them either, I'm not particularly fond of Adles Armada but that's more because they are a bunch of dense headed people).
No, please dont. This isn't a thread for your beef with Canonn. Please, take that elsewhere.
I'm wondering why you need to discover them, as I have been finding my way to new structures by just using the "Guardian" civilization filter on the galaxy map so far. Or are the "Guardian Structures" not visible on the map yet?
On occasion, I had the suspicion that systems only show up on the galaxy map as "Guardian" if they have Ancient Ruins in them in addition to the Guardian Structure - can you confirm this? Is this known to be intentional? Or does anyone know the exact criteria for a Guardian system to show up?
On occasion, I had the suspicion that systems only show up on the galaxy map as "Guardian" if they have Ancient Ruins in them in addition to the Guardian Structure - can you confirm this? Is this known to be intentional? Or does anyone know the exact criteria for a Guardian system to show up?
I'm still cobbling together a theory, but the short version is not all the new "Guardian Structures" come up as Guardian Civilisation systems.
Taking the ones in Galnet news for example... Col 173 Sector QU-O d6-25 has a Guardian Structure *and* Ancient Ruins in it and comes up as a "Guardian Civilisation" system.
HD 63154 however only has a Guardian Structure (and no ancient ruins) and does not come up as a Guardian Civilisation.
I have a theory about why this is the case, but nothing to back it... yet.
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Ok thanks, so it's not just me - as I said, I tend to believe the system needs ancient ruins to show up on Galmap, as this fits my observations.
Does anyone have an example for a system which comes up on Galmap, but has only the guardian structure and no ancient ruins? Have not seen one so far.
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I'm guessing there's probably a bigger Guardian structure we haven't found yet. Similar to the Thargoid megastructures. We just haven't gotten enough details to hone in on it's signal yet. Cause first they left data storages across the galaxy for their history and lore and all, then they left these sites with blueprints and whatnot and active Sentinels, both sites which might have also helped their communications, but surely they have to have actual cities and outposts on planets where they could live that we haven't discovered yet. Or some sort of shipyard where they made their space ships.
All Cannon is is a group of folk with similar interests, not some Elitist group that does all the work.
Cannon literally started right here on the forums, just like minded folk that are less interested in the typical us/them group stuff, and more interested in what's out there to be discovered.
They literally made a point of ensuring all discussions happened right here on the forum so absolutely everyone could participate, that's what the Cannon threads were, no secrets, nothing behind close doors, the whole point is/was to get everyone with an interest involved. Don't have to be a member or anything, it doesn't matter.
There have been many things attributed to Cannon where they had nothing to do with it, even on last week's Lave Radio by one of the hosts, "oh Cannon discover everything", this just seems to the attitude now, and seems to be perpetuated when folk have some axe to grind. Cannon long termers on numerous occasions have pointed out most discoveries are in fact nothing to do with any direct Cannon members.
If you're saying they go around taking credit, well admittedly it's been a while since I've been involved but this is not the Cannon I know.
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Talking about new Guardian structures, where can I find top-down screen shots of the new sites (if there are any)?
NO NO NO NO
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Oh funny, maybe ask them rather than listing to rumour. But hey ho if your happy with 3rd or 4th hand information good for you
As a group we all work together, and lots of people not Canonn find stuff , and then share with us, which we duly credit, and share what we find . Maybe try saying hi on our Discord, you never know you may enjoy the visit
Fly safe commander, and correctly informed o7
Just would like to clear this up being as I run all of our spreadsheets and reporting forms. There are a few issues that we have to deal with when it comes to reporting sites:
- As of late (within the past year) we have been imposing stricter requirements to the data we keep, being I am one of the few creating those restrictions. If the data reported via the forums/reddit/our own forms does not provide enough information, we will not add it. This is mainly because we are working to push all this data into an API so that others can use this data in new 3rd party tools. I have been working hard to try and keep a log of the user reporting so they have proper credit however the R&D department of Canonn is new and hasn't been around near as long as some of these "Missions".
- I'll be honest, I really am not on the forums much, It is far too difficult to scan the forums, reddit, my discord PMs, and any number of non-english websites to gather information from reports, this is why I created our report forms, as a central place for people to log the information, in the future those will not be needed as we are working to develop plugins for EDMC to report information which can be (not required) directly tied to your CMDR name along with proper timestamps to show proof of who reported what, first. (Console users will be forced to use a web based solution we are working on, as FDev does not provide any way for us to gather data automatically)
- A major issue I find on a daily basis is the inaccuracy of reports, as someone dealing with the raw data. Simple mistakes in system/body mis-spellings, completely wrong systems or bodies, not enough detail in lat/lon (doesn't really apply to ruins, but for things like brain trees, barnacles, geology, ect), and just general mis-information. I have around 10 different report forms, each feeding their own spreadsheet at the moment, on average I have seen around 100 or more reports in a day. At our current level we are having to validate these reports without visiting the sites ourselves, and having to trust the reporters. This is not our standard way of doing things. As I'm sure your aware Canonn is very science focused and thus generally speaking our research tries to follow the Scientific method, thus all of these reports should at least be verified by at minimum 3 other CMDRs.
- Something I personally find quite annoying at times however is those reporting who do not include the required information, thus making my job that much harder. Specifically when it comes to screenshots, as all of our report forms state, we need to have the HUD on the main screenshot. If users wish to report additional beauty shots, thats great, we can never have enough screenshots to compare and make our research that much more complete. The reason for this is to validate the site is where you say it is, the system is correct, the body is provided correctly (body "C1 a" and "C 1 a" are two different bodies with the former not being correct) as well as the Latitude and Longitude being complete to the 4th decimal place. Just as an example missing that final number in the lat/lon can mean the difference of of 10Km to 100Km, and as I'm sure your aware it can be quite difficult to find something in that range.
Let me be very clear though, we by no means take anyone else's reports and claim them as our own, I have about 40 spreadsheets that contain all the past records from Jan 2017 until now that have all our reported information, I being a single person just have not had the time to go back and search one by one to find that information. Just to give a few numbers of the number of sites we have by type:
Bark Mounds (BM) - 20 (Have a backlog to check on these)
Brain Trees (BT) - 535 (Have a huge backlog to go verify these sites, with no POI lat/lon are very important)
Fungal Gourds (FG) - 0 (List cleared for 3.0)
Fumaroles (FM) - 0 (List cleared for 3.0, before 265 that almost all needed additional validation)
Generation Ships (GEN) - 9 (Requires more detailed validation of data around them, listening posts ect)
Guardian Ruins (GR) - 294 (Extensive research being done, and additional validation of sites with 3.0)
Geysers (GY) - 0 (List cleared for 3.0, before that 193 where almost all needed complete re-validation)
Lave Spouts (LS) - 0 (New in 3.0)
Megaships (MS) - 52 (Tracking, confirming, and updating jump records of these can be quite difficult)
Thargoid Barnacles (TB) - 610 (Extremely complex data that is going to take months to correct and fit to a standard, extremely likely there are duplicates)
Thargoid Structures (TS) - 226 (Most of these have had complete data for a bit, but need to have discovered by data moved onto the sheet, each checked one by one)
USS/NHSS - 3634 Systems/7800+ Logged (Being as these are not static, tracking these is almost impossible to keep proper records of CMDRs, the data set is far too large and volatile to keep those records by hand)
These of course only cover information that I have had the time to apply to our standards, this doesn't include any data prior to when I joined Canonn, Listening Posts, UA Shell, Human Surface Sites, ect.
By all means if anyone wishes to help work through my backlog and/or would like to learn and understand how we validate information I invite you to please let me know. I'm sure I can provide much more detailed information if you wish to contribute.
Regards,
CMDR DMehaffy
Canonn R&D Department
Just as an example this report itself that was sent to us via the report form:
Did not include any lat/lon
Completely different CMDR name than on the forums (Thank you Shoryuken for including your forum post URL)
Default screenshot didn't include any information other than the system/planet it was on: https://i.imgur.com/wY23AfT.png
I understand this CMDR didn't have the time to complete the report, which is fine and I take all submissions with open arms, but this means I cannot just move the report over to our list, and if another CMDR came along and provided complete information its likely I would use his information first and give credit.
It would be the same case if someone just few around and sent me screenshots of their left panel listing Guardian Ruins in a system and didn't provide any more information. In this case CMDR Shoryuken is being given credit for this report due to this forum post.
Did not include any lat/lon
Completely different CMDR name than on the forums (Thank you Shoryuken for including your forum post URL)
Default screenshot didn't include any information other than the system/planet it was on: https://i.imgur.com/wY23AfT.png
I understand this CMDR didn't have the time to complete the report, which is fine and I take all submissions with open arms, but this means I cannot just move the report over to our list, and if another CMDR came along and provided complete information its likely I would use his information first and give credit.
It would be the same case if someone just few around and sent me screenshots of their left panel listing Guardian Ruins in a system and didn't provide any more information. In this case CMDR Shoryuken is being given credit for this report due to this forum post.
I don't think this is very fair. First you made a claim, then you said you weren't sure so you wouldn't name any names (except you already named Canonn), and then you say you looked into it and confirmed it was true and yet you haven't produced any specific allegation or evidence. So we can't defend ourselves or correct our mistake if we made one. It's your prerogative to like us or not, but if you're going to accuse us of wrongdoing please at least give us a chance to defend ourselves.
We have made mistakes in the past but as far as I know we've always corrected them when pointed out, and they've been the exception rather than the rule.