Newcomer / Intro New player questions

CMDR Katisoroe

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Hello commanders,

Ive been playing casual for 1mdr, got my self an Annie witch I eventually aim to do long trip exploreing with, however I have some "beginner" questions about the game in general.,
1: I tryed mining cuz I liked to fast easy credits, tryed VO core mining = failed as I fund like one core every 1-2hour, I tryed laser mining LTD / Panite but rarely fund good astroids in the hotspots, I keep reading mining has been nerfed abit. Is that true or am I just dumb at mining?

2: How the XXXX can I kill pirats? even in my conda I got killed.. sure I have the necessary mining hardpoints but also 1 multi cannon (huge slot) and 2 puls lasers for thier shields. Is this just lack of combat training or do I need more weapons? Ive gimbelled my weapons btw, cuz im bad with aiming :D ( I know I can just boost away from them but I really like to take the fight too )

3; Is there a way not to get scanned by pirates when I jump from mining locations with cargo in?

4; im farming fed rank in ceos/sothis i think its called, I get intercepted all the freaking time by pirats, I really like to outfit my conda for kill those pirates! is there an beginnder friendly setup or foolprof, 100% guarantee pirate killer setup for a Conda? :D

Thanks for your time, CMDR Katiroe Boost away........agian....
 

GroG79

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Hello and Welcome!

The Anaconda as you fly it is likely not suited for you. You lack a lot of experience it seems. Why did you skip the small/medium ships? I understand that you are using the conda for mining. That is a good idea. However avoid combat in it. You need to be more experienced.

1 Painite laser mining is the best way to get credits.

2 Keep moving! if you are stationairy the NPC will take out your weapons. Again practice using small or medium ships

3 Not really. the pirates will keep trying. The annie is not fast enough to get out of radar range. Do not leave your instance; if you do pirates reappers. Have them scan you when you only have limpets.

4 Same as above. And they will kill you. They will also kill you when you are in a cutter/corvette if you do not know how to fly.

Bigger does not mean better.
 

Vetinari

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1. Its been adjusted to more reasonable returns. Seems to be an issue with Asteroids popping up. Flying backwards helps for some reason. Try just mining anything and see what your profit is, its all free.
2. Try
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hElXzArVdmM&list=PLST2VzDxDCrwvkU6wYfo-z4UhGbObjl_M
but yes more experience is whats needed. Large ships dont make up for lack of experience unless highly engineered and weak enemies
3. RNG Pirates will find you occasionally. Can drop a Heatsink or go SilentRunning to break the scan. Or just fly away from them and escape.
4. see 2.

gl :)
 

alexzk

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CMDR Katisoroe said:
1: I tryed mining cuz I liked to fast easy credits, tryed VO core mining = failed as I fund like one core every 1-2hour, I tryed laser mining LTD / Panite but rarely fund good astroids in the hotspots, I keep reading mining has been nerfed abit. Is that true or am I just dumb at mining?
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Icy mining will give tritium as well + prices for icy are changing faster. So that is not optimal way for creds, more like fun. However, if you want to find shiny rocks, PWA is bad working now. So you fly - ahead 1 km, left 1 km, 180 swap and ahead 2km ( that is original right direction), swap 180 back to initial point 1 km.Something like that and keep pressing pulse on cd. That should reveal all yellow rocks around.
CMDR Katisoroe said:
How the XXXX can I kill pirats? even in my conda I got killed.. sure I have the necessary mining hardpoints but also 1 multi cannon (huge slot) and 2 puls lasers for thier shields. Is this just lack of combat training or do I need more weapons? Ive gimbelled my weapons btw, cuz im bad with aiming :D ( I know I can just boost away from them but I really like to take the fight too )
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On mining anaconda...install fighter bay and hire pilot. Try grade 6, it has 2 separated fighters, so you can launch immediately new if 1st was down.
CMDR Katisoroe said:
Is there a way not to get scanned by pirates when I jump from mining locations with cargo in?
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No, once you enter location you get scanned during next 2-3 mins. So best way is awlays enter mining field empty and just wait scan. Then you can work for long.
 

CMDR Katisoroe

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Thanks for all they reply :)
With the OP farming, I did noticed that once I turn 180 around there was ALOT glowing rocks, thats useally how I fund the OP's but still only fund very few. I tryed panite on metalic rings, but turned out to be disappointing for me also, is it important to be trible hotspot cuz I think it was only double, in a system I randomly fund my self.

I had hoped that my anaconda was easyer to fight pirates in, but might gonna try a asp.s again, is there any way to know what ships I "should" be able to take down my self? I did the "coops fighting thing" but would be cool if I can take pirates, bounties my self :) would really love to try some bountie missions, but somethimes there are multiple ships wich not helping me atm.
 

Ashnak

Ashnak
CMDR Katisoroe said:
Hello commanders,
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Hello, and welcome to the forums.

CMDR Katisoroe said:
1: I tryed mining cuz I liked to fast easy credits, tryed VO core mining = failed as I fund like one core every 1-2hour, I tryed laser mining LTD / Panite but rarely fund good astroids in the hotspots, I keep reading mining has been nerfed abit. Is that true or am I just dumb at mining?
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Mining has been nerfed a bit from what it was, but your yields still seem very low. Nothing to do with dumb, a lot to do with experience, ship (and loadout) and finding the right spot. For the latter, eliteminers on reddit is usually highly spoken of, the Miners Tool provides a shortcut to their latest recommendations.

CMDR Katisoroe said:
2: How the XXXX can I kill pirats? even in my conda I got killed.. sure I have the necessary mining hardpoints but also 1 multi cannon (huge slot) and 2 puls lasers for thier shields. Is this just lack of combat training or do I need more weapons? Ive gimbelled my weapons btw, cuz im bad with aiming :D ( I know I can just boost away from them but I really like to take the fight too )
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I just shoot them :devilish:. Ok, I'm not flying a mining Anaconda, either 😁. Post your build through e.g. a Coriolis link, and maybe someone can help you improve it. But, unless your 'conda is A-rated and engineered, it's no better than an NPC 'conda - and I consider those easy money, since they can barely move. Better than a Cutter or a T-9, though.
A for "more weapons" - that depends on your overall loadout. Shields, armour, reinforcements all come into it.

CMDR Katisoroe said:
3; Is there a way not to get scanned by pirates when I jump from mining locations with cargo in?
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Several. Which one (if any) is possible for you will depend on your specific loadout (see above):
a) fly faster. If they can't keep up, they can't scan you.
b) fly colder. If they can't find you, they can't scan you. Dropping a heatsink breaks their scan.
c) go silent. See above - the downside is that you lose your shields when running silent, so as soon as they come up to visual range (a few hundred meters), they'll scan you nevertheless.
d) shoot them. When you start shooting at them, they stop scanning you. Ok, for most situations, that's not very helpful.

But, depending on your loadout and the pirate's loadout, it's perfectly possible to use d) to kill them before they even get to start shooting. When they want to scan you, they usually get nose-to-nose with your ship. Which can be a terminally stupid move on their part if you are equipped with an array of high power short range weapons, like Frag cannon. I would be really careful with Frags on a 'conda, though - if you can't kill them in that first volley, you won't be able to inflict much damage afterwards. The 'conda is modeled after Ford Prefect's classical model - "Looks like a fish, moves like a fish, steers like a cow."

CMDR Katisoroe said:
4; im farming fed rank in ceos/sothis i think its called, I get intercepted all the freaking time by pirats, I really like to outfit my conda for kill those pirates! is there an beginnder friendly setup or foolprof, 100% guarantee pirate killer setup for a Conda? :D
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No. See above.
But since both Ceos and Sothis apparently have system security, all you need is a turreted pulse laser and good shields (and set "call for help when attacked" or whatever it's called to "on"). When you get attacked, set the turret on them, then wait for the cops to arrive and finish them off.
Otherwise, all turreted (or gimballed) pulse lasers and strong shields is a reasonable starting point for a slow turning ship.
 

CMDR Katisoroe

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wow that mining tool are awesome!, I actuallu thought finding a lets say LTD hotspot by my self would yield good, cuz im maybe the only one there?, thought the systems "everyone use" are too overrun so therefore kept away from popular systems, is that a fault? is there big deffrence in how much a hotspot yield? I play on xbox so cant directly link my setup, tho atm Ive given up on mining so im armed with weapons and lots of cargo ( doing ceos/sothis cargo missiosn) seems fun and pretty ok credits too :D
 

aRJay

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If you want to mine or run missions or kill pirates in my opinion you need to setup your ships for each task specifically ships that are set up to do several things tend to be poor at all of them.

The way to deal with pirates when mining is to have nothing in your cargo they want when you arrive in a ring and after that run away, yes it is annoying but you aren’t there to indulge yourself you are there to mine and bring your cargo home.

If you want to kill pirates with the Anaconda you need all the weapons available it is a big target and not the most manoeuvrable so you don’t want to introduce extra blind spots that aren’t covered by your weapons.
 

Vetinari

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Extra Thoughts:

Right hand panel - tab right to Ship and down - Make sure 'Report Crimes Against Me' is turned on (thats what Ashnak was referring to) and find the Turreted Firing Mode, make sure it is set to 'Fire At Target Only' then you got to try and keep the enemy in the firing zones, go to gimballed when you can do this.

Do you know about 4 Pips to Sys makes shields 2.5x stronger roughly? If not, research Pips. :)
 

Ashnak

Ashnak
CMDR Katisoroe said:
wow that mining tool are awesome!, I actuallu thought finding a lets say LTD hotspot by my self would yield good, cuz im maybe the only one there?, thought the systems "everyone use" are too overrun so therefore kept away from popular systems, is that a fault? is there big deffrence in how much a hotspot yield? I play on xbox so cant directly link my setup, tho atm Ive given up on mining so im armed with weapons and lots of cargo ( doing ceos/sothis cargo missiosn) seems fun and pretty ok credits too :D
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Depends. "Overrun" is usually not really an issue, as those rings (and hotspots) are big. Problem is, a single hotspot isn't that good. You want overlapping hotspots, ideally triple overlapping hotspots, in a pristine ring - and those are really rare.
If you play in Open, there's an increased risk of player pirates and gankers, as in any public known player hotspot. On the other hand, in those systems, you will often find carriers that will buy your haul at a reasonable price (carriers are cross-platform), saving you the trip to the current high sell station.
 

Vetinari

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CMDR Katisoroe said:
I actuallu thought finding a lets say LTD hotspot by my self would yield good, cuz im maybe the only one there?, thought the systems "everyone use" are too overrun so therefore kept away from popular systems, is that a fault? is there big deffrence in how much a hotspot yield?
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theres different levels of reserved in rings and on planets - Pristine, cant remember, Common, Depleted. Supposed to be better returns in Pristine than Depleted but not sure if it works...theoretically though yes, if you find a ring thats Prisitne you should have better results.

Hotspots - make sure you understand this as a lot of people repeatedly get it wrong.

Hotpsots increase the RNG % of 1 particular resource. eg it may go from 5% to 10% chance (no idea of actual % figures just for illustration)
Hotspots afaik do NOT stop other 'Core' or valuable resource appearing. You WILL find other cores or asteroids in the 'wrong' hotspot. This is normal, in above eg its 90% chance of finding something else instead
Hotspots do no guarantee the right resource, they just increase the chance and have in the past been too generous or slightly bugged.
Double & Triple overlapping hotspots afaik do not increase the % as much as adding it together....at least not any more, they were bugged for a long time. I havent kept up with latest tests so dunno if anyone has come up with an answer as to what the yield is v single hotspots. therell be posts about it im sure if you do a forum search by Title Only

Overall you can spend more time trying to find the right ring and the right asteroid if you looking for specific things or you can just take whats in front of you or end up using 3rd party tools...but then so is everyone else so up to you.

Do go mining in Sol though, just for the sake of it, before ED that would have been a bestselling game in itself if you think about it :)
 

Ashnak

Ashnak
With Vetinari talking about hotspots - there's one trap :devilish:. There's one mineral (might be Painite) that occurs in metallic rings as laser-mineable and in metal rich rings as core mineable. If you now drop into a Painite hotspot without checking the ring type, you might end up complaining that you can't find any - because you're looking for the wrong type of asteroid.
 

CMDR Katisoroe

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If I am in a double / triple hotspot , and let’s say it’s pristine. Does it mattere where I drop in? At center, 20Mm from center or just in the overlapping area?
Do I want to mine < 15% LTD/ panite?
I went to a system (forgot the name, a38-2 or something) and when I scanned the rings, not a single hotspot appear, there where like 100 fleet carrier tho, was the whole system
Drained?
 

Ashnak

Ashnak
From what I read (you'll have to find the experts for that), you should drop in anywhere within the central overlapping region, which can be quite small.
Regarding the carriers - if you could tell us the system name, someone may be able to figure out why there were so many carriers.
 

Ashnak

Ashnak
There should be a triple LTD hotspot in the B ring of planet 1. You do carry and did shoot a DSS probe at the B ring?
 

CMDR Katisoroe

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Yeah, and really, there where no hotspot
Lighting up (done it many times before, so I know I’m doing it right)
So I left the system cuz I thought the hotspot was completly dry, with all the fleet Carriers there. Also the rings had like a misty cloud appearance , never seen that before.
 
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