New Rift owner looking for some sage advice

[Karl Agathon]

Hey guys,

I'm one of those new Rift owners, who jumped head first when I saw the sale. I also replaced my 5-6 year old second-hand 7970 (good bye, my dear "vacuum cleaner", you served me well) with a 1080ti. Also, I might have punched a whole in my ceiling light last night trying to throw a virtual basket ball...

Anyways, I was really stunned at the perspective VR puts in ED. Unfortunately, I very quickly realized I get devastatingly motion sick when in the SRV. Also when flying but to a much lesser degree. SRV makes me pretty sick though. To try and ameliorate this I have made sure I am running at 90 (via the oculus toolbar app performance overlay), but still getting sick.

Have any of you guys been motion sick and gotten over it? If so, any advice?

Thanks

 

[vanfanel]

If you haven't already activate "Lock view to horizon" option for the srv. It should alleviate some of the nausea.

 

[Karl Agathon]

If you haven't already activate "Lock view to horizon" option for the srv. It should alleviate some of the nausea.

I thought this should be set to "off". Will try it first thing tonight, thanks!

 

[[VR] Frank_G]

Welcome to VR

I suffered from serious motion sickness at first myself. What helped me was not a function or specific graphic setting of the game or HMD. All i needed was a little patience and discipline.
Drive your SRV as usual, but the moment you get nausea, stop playing immediately, take off the HMD and pause for an hour or two, even if you had only played for 15 minutes. Try not to endure, this will intensify the effect.
After a month i could already drive for an hour and after a few months, i was able to drive the SRV as long as i want, boost through tight canyons at Mach 1.5 while flying upside down - in other words - no more VR nausea... Only falling off cliffs and such things tend to turn my stomach a little. Key is to not endure but to slowly increase the time span.

I hope this helps you as well, as it did help me

Be seeing you in the void!

o7

 

[[VR] Frank_G]

One more thing, i have all camera settings against nausea off. The motion feels more natural, when it does not get compensated by any function. I cant drive with those functions on.

 

[Alec Turner]

Hiya! Yes - I too used to get APPALINGLY motion sick in the SRV. It was almost instantaneous and felt like someone was reaching into my head and twisting my brain around!

The good news is that I'm totally acclimatized to it now and can go tumbling down a mountain at full speed with no ill affects at all really.

First of all make damn sure you're getting 90fps (although with a 1080Ti I doubt if that's your problem). Press Ctrl+F and have a look at the ED window on the monitor while down on a planet surface. You should see a green 90fps in the bottom left corner. You might also want to turn ASW off (press Ctrl+NumPad 1) and verify that it still says 90fps. If it doesn't then you need to wind down the graphics settings a tad (yes, even with a 1080) - if you're trying to set HMD quality to 2.0 or SS to 2.0 or something like that then you still might be asking too much.

The next thing (for a while at least) is to turn on the keep horizon level option. I don't need that anymore but it helped for a while.

The main thing is to take it really easy at first. Drive really slowly and carefully and stop the moment you feel sick. Try it in short bursts, over time you'll get used to it. I've heard some real horror stories of people who ignored this and tried to push on through the sickness. You can build mental associations between VR and feeling sick to the point where even smelling the headset can make you fell ill.

Give it a month, you'll get there.

 

[Orvidius]

Yeah, locking the SRV view to horizon is a really great feature for this. I don't get motion sickness, but I can get a little disoriented when I'm not used to something. In the case of the SRV, I just found the terrain bouncing all over the place to be more annoying than anything, possibly headache inducing, but with the horizon lock, it's pretty natural now.

 

[Chromezero]

I've never been prone to motion sickness but my first few sessions in VR would make my eyes sore and flying in ED would make me feel a little sick. As much as I hate to say it, I think ED is a terrible game to start your VR experience with. It took me a couple of days in the VR world before I could fly in ED without getting woozy. However, I spend hours flying in ED or bouncing around in an SRV with no problems these days. It just took a little getting used to...

 

[BaronVonDoon]

ye locking the horizon helps a lot, and don't drive too fast, the SRV can get pretty queezy for me too when I'm in it for a long time. You'll harden up to the motion sickness though, first couple of weeks I struggled, especially in driving games.

 

[VR Jay Le Chardon]

First off - congrats on the new hardware, I went from a 7970 to a gtx970 may year before last, then bought a dk2 august, upgraded that to a cv1 in september, then a couple of months ago bought the 1080ti. I cannot imagine what a quantum leap it must be going from 7970 + monitor to 1080ti + CV1.

The simsickness is something you immune to, and the advice outlined above, don't push past your comfort zone, keep the settings smooth framerates, etc, are all salient advice. Except one point, I find I get better results aiming for 1.7HMD supersampling and ASW mode 3 (force 45FPS). Running like that I've never been motion sick in elite. But world of diving is making me motion sick. YMMV.

Other things I found helpful is simply closing my eyes or putting my head down and focussing on the scanner and not the evironment at such moments as when I'm spinning like a peerie when my SLF ricochet's of of something and is spinning end over end really fast, or when you drop out of an interdiciton - for a while those were spinning insanely, or when the SRV ends up somersaulting down the side of a valley.

 

[A D]

Hey guys,

I'm one of those new Rift owners, who jumped head first when I saw the sale. I also replaced my 5-6 year old second-hand 7970 (good bye, my dear "vacuum cleaner", you served me well) with a 1080ti. Also, I might have punched a whole in my ceiling light last night trying to throw a virtual basket ball...

Anyways, I was really stunned at the perspective VR puts in ED. Unfortunately, I very quickly realized I get devastatingly motion sick when in the SRV. Also when flying but to a much lesser degree. SRV makes me pretty sick though. To try and ameliorate this I have made sure I am running at 90 (via the oculus toolbar app performance overlay), but still getting sick.

Have any of you guys been motion sick and gotten over it? If so, any advice?

Thanks

VR motion sickness (VMS) is not uncommon. It's your brain complaining that your eyes (visuals) and body movements do not match.

Do persevere though as it will likely go away as you (your brain) gets used to this mismatch. The IMPORTANT thing - keep your VR sessions short at beginning and do NOT continue when the VMS appears. Just take a break. At the start you may need to break for a couple of hours before the queasiness subsides, but it doesn't take too long before you find yourself playing longer, with fewer and shorter breaks. After a while VMS should be a thing of the past.

I also agree with comments in other posts re frame rate. Make sure that head tracking is nice and smooth. Any lag or jitters will make VMS worse because your eyes will interpret this as sudden movements (as the game visuals catch up). The best way to test your head tracking is go to the start screen (with the SRV in the hanger) and move your head from side to side at normal pace. It should be no different to looking around in real life. If there is ANY jittering or stuttering go into options and adjust your graphic settings. You'll quickly find a balance where head tracking is nice and smooth.

A note on the SRV. As your post points out, this is where VMS can strike the most. For me, I found that it helped if I went with the flow and accepted the movement as normal i.e. just sort of imagine that bumpy is natural in rough terrain (as you would if you were actually in a terrain vehicle in real life) rather than focussing on the movement itself, but the general rule applies - stop if VMS strikes and take a break.

I should add that some games are worse for VMS than others, but ED is one of the better ones and, as a person who has experienced VMS, it didn't take me long at all to get used to VR ED. I can now literally play for hours with no side effects at all, and I'm not special

 

[Hempstead]

Hey guys,

I'm one of those new Rift owners, who jumped head first when I saw the sale. I also replaced my 5-6 year old second-hand 7970 (good bye, my dear "vacuum cleaner", you served me well) with a 1080ti. Also, I might have punched a whole in my ceiling light last night trying to throw a virtual basket ball...

Anyways, I was really stunned at the perspective VR puts in ED. Unfortunately, I very quickly realized I get devastatingly motion sick when in the SRV. Also when flying but to a much lesser degree. SRV makes me pretty sick though. To try and ameliorate this I have made sure I am running at 90 (via the oculus toolbar app performance overlay), but still getting sick.

Have any of you guys been motion sick and gotten over it? If so, any advice?

Thanks

Don't laugh, and don't dismiss it out of hand. It actually works -- motion sickness pill, http://www.zentripsato.com

I never get car sick since childhood. And after I got my private pilot license, roller coasters give me no enjoyment. #%^* But, if I weren't careful, I could puke within 10 minutes of SRV. And yes, locked to horizon and every other Internet Witch Brew tried.... and yes, that includes man up.... nothing works...

But, I needed MEF bad... half out of desperation, half giggle factor, I went to my local Japanese supermarket and bought that thing... works like a charm, and no drowsiness.

You mileage may vary, of course.

 

[A D]

Don't laugh, and don't dismiss it out of hand. It actually works -- motion sickness pill, http://www.zentripsato.com

I never get car sick since childhood. And after I got my private pilot license, roller coasters give me no enjoyment. #%^* But, if I weren't careful, I could puke within 10 minutes of SRV. And yes, locked to horizon and every other Internet Witch Brew tried.... and yes, that includes man up.... nothing works...

But, I needed MEF bad... half out of desperation, half giggle factor, I went to my local Japanese supermarket and bought that thing... works like a charm, and no drowsiness.

You mileage may vary, of course.

No laughing... VR motion sickness is similar to other forms of motion sickness (air, car, sea) and over the counter pills for this have been available for years and work. Personally though, I prefer not to have pill popping part of my game play, so IMO adjusting over time is a better long term solution.

 

[Karl Agathon]

Thanks for all the replies guys! I am relieved to hear that the motion sickness can be overcome. I was kinda afraid it's just something people get and that's that. I will try and practice driving around in the SRV once my hangover is gone... tough night, don't ask.

A quick question about the performance settings... First thing I did with the 1080ti was to crank everything to max. I am about 40K Ly out so there is not much going on where I am right now. I didn't notice any choppiness whatsoever on those settings.

When I noticed I am getting motion sickness, I tried to check what my fps is - the oculus tray tool overlay said 45... I adjusted settings, mainly HMD quality, to get 90 ... and frankly didn't notice a difference - a reduction in visual quality but absolutely no difference in level of motion sickness... I wonder why that is. I was hoping the 1080ti could deal with HMD at 2, but it looks like I can't go past 1.5 without dropping to 45 ... Might have to play around to get satisfactory results.