New Super supercruise FSDs, Python 2s and so on
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Supercruse Overdrive FSDs have been available for credits for a while now BTW. Look out for "SCO" FSDs in outfitting.
It will be interesting to see how much it is nerfed compared to the P2W version when it is available in shipyards.so you want to buy a pay to win ship??
shame on you!
i m shocked
Literally none, it's the same ship, we paid for early access only.
I hope you won lots, sir.
(What did you win, btw? Was there a Python competition I missed that you got to p2w?)
i brought two ptw ships dbx and the python 2 looking at the t8 nowso you want to buy a pay to win ship??
shame on you!
i m shocked
. they still can get destroyed by chieftans and high ships.I won a slightly easier time Titan bombing as it's more maneuverable than the Krait, I haven't really used it for anything else. So nothing really.
I hoped you noted my sarcasm there, I wasn't genuinely asking. It's not P2W to get early access to something.
To be fair, I am very much planning on paying to win with the T8 though...Oh absolutely, I hope you noted mine
Same tbh I picked up 5 pre-engineered mining lasers for it today so I can win at mining
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If we're defining pay to win so broadly as to capture literally any transaction beyond the initial purchase price of a game, then sure I guess. This isn't loot boxes though, we're essentially getting paid updates that players can choose to pay for or not. Which seems fine. 
My only beef with the new ships is how they've so cynically and successfully distracted people from genuinely egregious practices like the ridiculous price hike on cosmetics.
My only beef with the new ships is how they've so cynically and successfully distracted people from genuinely egregious practices like the ridiculous price hike on cosmetics.If we're defining pay to win so broadly as to capture literally any transaction beyond the initial purchase price of a game, then sure I guess. This isn't loot boxes though, we're essentially getting paid updates that players can choose to pay for or not. Which seems fine.
There's no "if".
Exchanging real-world currency for an in-game benefit. That's literally the definition of P2W. It's an umbrella term covering a wide range of monetization techniques, some of which are more punishing (like an overpowered unique item unobtainable by any other means than paying real-world currency), others are less so (early access to a nice-to-have ship).
Whether or not it's "fine" is a matter of subjective opinion. Whether or not it can be called P2W is not.
The first trouble is that I exchanged no real currency for mine, so under that determination it was not pay-to-win at all! The details of whether one wants to include the jump-start notion within pay-to-win are irrelevant there, because no payment occurred.
Moreover though, levying that accusation upon the early Python 2 erodes its impact a lot, because it can be compared to something else in Elite which gave a much larger benefit and required real currency as opposed to Arx—Horizons! Buying Horizons gave early Krait, Mamba, engineering and Guardian modules, yet that seems to have evaded consideration. Is an expansion pay-to-win? Perhaps, but at least recognise that the early Python 2 is no more than a smaller version of that, with the favourable point of not needing real currency necessarily!
One can cast the pay-to-win term widely if one wants, it is just that the response becomes casually "of course, as is any expansion"!
So every time I bought Arx in readiness for the Sales, I was winning?
Literally....
Sorry, I have to laugh at such a broad definition, and the excellent thing is that I shall continue to "WIN!!!" while others continue to whine...
ETA: I suppose, as long as the "P2W" crew here never buy any of the ships that will be initially available as 'early access', then their principles will be upheld fully?
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