New weapons Q?

manicguitarist

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Hi all.
Not played ED for a few years and just suffered an odd pvp attack.
I was in a fully kitted out Anaconda with top line prismatic shields and top line beam lasers and a stack of cannons.

Was interdicted and then attacked by a cobra with no shields at all…he took my shields off line in less than 5s from first shot, disabled my power plant and destroyed me.

This is fine, we live and learn.

But I’m guessing there’s new tech out there?

So, my questions are: what did he use to destroy my shields, and how come my previously big ass guns had very little effect on his ship - despite his lack of shields?
Cheers folks!
 

Starsong

Starsong
manicguitarist said:
Hi all.
Not played ED for a few years and just suffered an odd pvp attack.
I was in a fully kitted out Anaconda with top line prismatic shields and top line beam lasers and a stack of cannons.

Was interdicted and then attacked by a cobra with no shields at all…he took my shields off line in less than 5s from first shot, disabled my power plant and destroyed me.

This is fine, we live and learn.

But I’m guessing there’s new tech out there?

So, my questions are: what did he use to destroy my shields, and how come my previously big ass guns had very little effect on his ship - despite his lack of shields?
Cheers folks!
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Hm. I'm guessing that he used reverberating cascade torpedoes/mines and some sort of module sniping weapon - it's a niche tactic used against other players in tough but slow large ships. He used the reverbs to destroy your shield by doing damage to the generator itself and then killed you by blowing up your reactor.
(Are you aware of engineering at all? Was it around before you left?)
 

Northpin

Northpin
If you can list your build (coriolis or edsy) we can judge if your build was as strong as you implied it was

However, i suspect cheats were involved.
IN which case make sure you report it to FDev using the ingame reporting feature
 

Northpin

Northpin
manicguitarist said:
Hi all.
Not played ED for a few years and just suffered an odd pvp attack.
I was in a fully kitted out Anaconda with top line prismatic shields and top line beam lasers and a stack of cannons.

Was interdicted and then attacked by a cobra with no shields at all…he took my shields off line in less than 5s from first shot, disabled my power plant and destroyed me.

This is fine, we live and learn.

But I’m guessing there’s new tech out there?

So, my questions are: what did he use to destroy my shields, and how come my previously big ass guns had very little effect on his ship - despite his lack of shields?
Cheers folks!
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Starsong said:
Hm. I'm guessing that he used reverberating cascade torpedoes/mines and some sort of module sniping weapon - it's a niche tactic used against other players in tough but slow large ships. He used the reverbs to destroy your shield by doing damage to the generator itself and then killed you by blowing up your reactor.
(Are you aware of engineering at all? Was it around before you left?)
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If they launched torpedoes at you, you should be able to notice it.

But is a reasonably plausible scenario.
A Cobra can fit a pair of Size 2 Torpedo Launchers, which when engineered with Reverb Cascade Experimental, can take of your shileld generator using 4 torpedoes (2 per launcher, so just at the limit)
Then they can fit a pair size 1 Rails with Superpenetrator experimental and easily kill your PP.

Looks entirely doable if you're not aware of the possibilities offered by reverb cascade torpedoes and superpen rails
Reverb cascade mines would have the same effect by killing your shield gen, but they're really easy to spot and avoid - again if you are aware of this tactic

However, if you didnt noticed any torpedoes launches.... and your timing is accurate (losing shields in 5 seconds or less) it would be cheats.

So even if you are not sure, you can still report them under the suspicion of Cheats.
 

manicguitarist

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Engineering wasn’t a thing when I left. What is it?
Here’s my build (Well the combat part of it)
F63 Condor fighter. (Which I had deployed and was attacking his ship)

Hardpoints:
4B cannon
3x 3C beam laser
2x 2F multicannon
2x 1G multicannon

Utility mounts
5x 0A shield boosters

Internal
1A reactive surface composite
8A powerplant
8A power distributor

Optional
7A prismatic shield generator
2x 5D hull reinforcement package
5D module reinforcement package
4E module reinforcement package
1D module reinforcement package


I was surprised at the lack of damage my ship, my fighter ship and the local authorities had on the attacker.

I’m guessing my loadout is now antiquated?
 

Northpin

Northpin
manicguitarist said:
Engineering wasn’t a thing when I left. What is it?
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Oh. Ok.
So no engineering, than that may explain it without needed to resort to "i lost, they must be cheating" (not like you said that, i was quick to jump to conclusions)

manicguitarist said:
I’m guessing my loadout is now antiquated?
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Yes.

Check your build with No Engineering.
Check your build with Engineering.
Spot the differences in terms of Shields, Hull, Firepower (but look specifically not at the absolute values, but for the "after resists" values - thermal, kinetik, etc)
Then picture how much hull/resists a Cobra MK3 has when it's engineered to the max and has all internals full of HRP/MRP

And keep in mind Rails are doing 66% thermal and 33% kinetic, and the hull resistances do matter even when the rails get to breach the hull and hit the modules.
And that a Reverb Cascade torpedo will bypass the shields and it will damage directly the shield generator, killing it with sufficient hits (a reverb torp will do about 43 integrity damage to shield gen, yours has 157, so 4 torpedoes will knock off your shield gen if all 4 hit you)


Edit, not a bad build tho, but no engineering really puts you at a big disadvantage
 
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Morbad

Morbad
Darrack said:
This is more likely your answer mate
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It's really not. Occam's razor and all that.

No cheats are required to quickly bring down a rusty player, in a slow, fragile and probably marginally Engineered, vessel...even if the opposing player is in a Cobra and isn't particularly good.

I'm not going to say cheats are rare, but the number of baseless hackusations almost certainly completely dwarfs actual examples.

manicguitarist said:
Engineering wasn’t a thing when I left.

I’m guessing my loadout is now antiquated?
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Engineering predates ship launched fighters by almost six months.

Anyway, yes, your loadout is almost certainly antiquated. Sounds like it was well behind the curve in 2017.
 
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