It almost seems to me that FD managed to release two games at once.
On on hand, we have Elite Dangerous, most likely the reason a lot of us are here.
On the other hand, it seems they managed to release the Trench Warfare Simulator 2014 here on the forums.
It seems that ever increasingly we have a couple of sides on a topic (note, i am not using argument, for a reason, i get back to that) that become increasingly hardened and entrenched, dug in and it rather quickly moves from a discussion to a sniping contest where both sides dissolve into taking potshots at each other rather then having a meaningful discussion on a topic until inevitably a moderator has to show up and close the thread. i am sure they have better things they could be doing then having to do that, i seen some of them contributing to conversations before too (and i mean contributing), this could be a better use of time for them too then having to close yet another thread.
I do understand, there are emotions involved, many on here have long standing memories of Elite, me included and it is something special to those, so its somewhat easy to trigger an outburst in someone if you resort to name calling or just badmouthing (for the lack of a better term there) something the person loves. there are some folks out there who derive their "fun" from this, which is kind of sad in my opinion.
Another thing to keep in mind, we share this forum overall with other games FD has released and a lot of them are geared toward a younger audience. given the title of this forum here it may be enticing to some of those to peek their nose in here and see what this is all about so we may want to keep that at least in the back of our minds with some of the things being said here and the way its worded.
Throughout this post so far (if your still reading) i used terms like "Topic" and Discussion" rather then "argument" and i did promises i get back to this. why? Argument in many ways has a bit of a negative property. it always seems to be associated with a more heated and emotional conversation then a debate or discussion have. Long time ago a teacher i had done something interesting when teaching us about debating. he given us a set of topics and told us to prepare on this as homework. when we paired up for debate on those a little way in he suddenly went and told us to stop and reverse as in defending the point we just done our best to discredit against our debate partner and vise versa. his point with this was for us to try and see both sides of an issue, to see where the other guy comes from. i admit, i did not think much of it at the time but in some ways that is one of the things that stuck with me a good deal over the years, that made an impression on me. i believe its what can make a discussion or debate interesting, if you try to see where someone comes from or why he feels that way, it gives you more an opportunity to come up with a solution that can reach a consensus.
With all this said (and thank you for hanging in there if you are still reading) for me, i made some resolutions for this year if it comes to participation on this forum:
- I will not resort to personal attacks or name calling
- I will participate in conversations in a productive and (hopefully) meaningful manner.
- I will make an better effort to understand where someone might be coming from before dismissing his idea out of hand
- I won't make inflammatory, snide remarks that can derail a thread
- If i feel a criticism of an idea is needed i will do so in a constructive manner rather then a hostile one.
with all this said, have yourself a happy new year Commanders, wherever you are.
Blake
On on hand, we have Elite Dangerous, most likely the reason a lot of us are here.
On the other hand, it seems they managed to release the Trench Warfare Simulator 2014 here on the forums.
It seems that ever increasingly we have a couple of sides on a topic (note, i am not using argument, for a reason, i get back to that) that become increasingly hardened and entrenched, dug in and it rather quickly moves from a discussion to a sniping contest where both sides dissolve into taking potshots at each other rather then having a meaningful discussion on a topic until inevitably a moderator has to show up and close the thread. i am sure they have better things they could be doing then having to do that, i seen some of them contributing to conversations before too (and i mean contributing), this could be a better use of time for them too then having to close yet another thread.
I do understand, there are emotions involved, many on here have long standing memories of Elite, me included and it is something special to those, so its somewhat easy to trigger an outburst in someone if you resort to name calling or just badmouthing (for the lack of a better term there) something the person loves. there are some folks out there who derive their "fun" from this, which is kind of sad in my opinion.
Another thing to keep in mind, we share this forum overall with other games FD has released and a lot of them are geared toward a younger audience. given the title of this forum here it may be enticing to some of those to peek their nose in here and see what this is all about so we may want to keep that at least in the back of our minds with some of the things being said here and the way its worded.
Throughout this post so far (if your still reading) i used terms like "Topic" and Discussion" rather then "argument" and i did promises i get back to this. why? Argument in many ways has a bit of a negative property. it always seems to be associated with a more heated and emotional conversation then a debate or discussion have. Long time ago a teacher i had done something interesting when teaching us about debating. he given us a set of topics and told us to prepare on this as homework. when we paired up for debate on those a little way in he suddenly went and told us to stop and reverse as in defending the point we just done our best to discredit against our debate partner and vise versa. his point with this was for us to try and see both sides of an issue, to see where the other guy comes from. i admit, i did not think much of it at the time but in some ways that is one of the things that stuck with me a good deal over the years, that made an impression on me. i believe its what can make a discussion or debate interesting, if you try to see where someone comes from or why he feels that way, it gives you more an opportunity to come up with a solution that can reach a consensus.
With all this said (and thank you for hanging in there if you are still reading) for me, i made some resolutions for this year if it comes to participation on this forum:
- I will not resort to personal attacks or name calling
- I will participate in conversations in a productive and (hopefully) meaningful manner.
- I will make an better effort to understand where someone might be coming from before dismissing his idea out of hand
- I won't make inflammatory, snide remarks that can derail a thread
- If i feel a criticism of an idea is needed i will do so in a constructive manner rather then a hostile one.
with all this said, have yourself a happy new year Commanders, wherever you are.
Blake
and to restart writing my book