Newly exploring & discoveries bugging (I think...)

[Svinoi Banana]

Hi folks o7

Just started going out & about & not sure if ran into a bug so wanted to check here first.

Was en route to an engineer when found three systems with zero "first discovered by..." tags, was surprised so dropped & scanned them (stars, close up on planets etc). Last system scanned was LHS 1875, which I even saw another player in that area so even more surprised that no one had claimed.

Went & cashed in my apparent "discoveries" & nothing popped up on station UI. Thought perhaps slow servers or something, but 24 hours later all three are still "unclaimed".

I've a feeling these have already been claimed but I've no way of knowing.

Is this a known bug or am I missing something?

I have the appropriate scanners & have been close up to planets etc to no avail.

P.S. Other systems are showing the "discovered by..." so not sure what's happening.

 

[iain666]

There are systems in the bubble that can't be tagged because they were already well known to everybody prior to 3301. What with all the people living in them and everything.

 

[Svinoi Banana]

There are systems in the bubble that can't be tagged because they were already well known to everybody prior to 3301. What with all the people living in them and everything.

I was wondering about the folk residing there prior to it being "discovered" when on my travels hehe.

So we can basically discover un-populated places?

 

[iain666]

Yep, there might be some untagged yet taggable things left in the bubble but there can't be many if there are.

 

[disorganise]

Yep, there might be some untagged yet taggable things left in the bubble but there can't be many if there are.

What's the official designation of the bubble? A few hundred ly spherical around Sol? Or is it non spherical?
Can you add a flag in EDD to tell me if I'm in the bubble or not?

Fwiw, I did find a couple of incompletely tagged systems less than 500ly from Sol...without looking especially hard. I want to set up the 'community tagging' concept as something a bit more structured...maybe a spreadsheet or at least a table in first post. Just need.....time. And these "bubble" systems (if that's confirmed that they are) will be added for explorers to 'wing tag'

 

[goemon]

So we can basically discover un-populated places?

there is a population threshold ... but don't ask me for the correct number. anyway, you can first discover planets in systems with small populations. but only if you find one...

(i did a test roughly a year ago, it took me 98 visits to backwater systems to find an undiscovered icy world .... that was around a secondary star, 70 k ls .... i think with the new route plotter filtering, filtering for population size and then going from achenar or sol to the edges of the bubble in economic mode will for sure let you find one.)

 

[Sapyx]

What's the official designation of the bubble? A few hundred ly spherical around Sol? Or is it non spherical?
Can you add a flag in EDD to tell me if I'm in the bubble or not?

Go to the galaxy map, put it in "Allegiance" or "Economy" mode, switch off "None" and zoom out until you can see the entire circle of stars visible by that map mode. Now scroll the map around until the coloured, visible stars suddenly disappear. You've reached the edge of the Bubble.

It is roughly Egg-shaped: 200 LY from Sol in the North, South, East and West directions, 250 LY Up and 300 LY Down. The assymetry is caused by Achenar and Alioth, and the resultant expansion bubbles of the Empire and Alliance stretching out from those two centres.

there is a population threshold ... but don't ask me for the correct number. anyway, you can first discover planets in systems with small populations. but only if you find one...

When you begin the game, there are two types of systems: Explored and Unexplored. Planets, stars etc in Explored systems cannot be scanned (all the planets already appear with full information on them when you arrive in the system) and they have no commander name attached to them. Sol system is the perfect example of an Explored system.

Unexplored systems have no information about them in your navigation computer. When you first arrive in an Unexplored system, you can see the stars and orbiting stations on the system map but not planets, moons or any ground installations on those planet and moons.

Unexplored systems might be Tagged (already explored by others) or Untagged (no-one else has ever scanned those objects and returned to sell the scans). You can't tell until you visit them.

There are many Unexplored yet inhabited systems in the Bubble; I believe the population threshold is somewhere around 100,000. But I seriously doubt you will ever find an Unexplored system in the Bubble that has not yet been Tagged. I'd say that every single inhabited system would have been visited by CMDRs many times by now. Finding any Untagged object within 500 LY of Sol is virtually impossible these days, especially if you are heading for a major player focus such as an Engineer.

 

[[VR] optimal_909]

Finding any Untagged object within 500 LY of Sol is virtually impossible these days, especially if you are heading for a major player focus such as an Engineer.

Indeed, though I've found an untagged ELW a mere 380ly from Sol. The fun part of it that it was in a binary system - the primary and all its planets were claimed, the secondary with an ELW around it wasn't.

 

[Sapyx]

And I've just double-checked my galaxy map: LHS 1875 is an Explored system, by the definitions explained above. I have never been there, and I can open the system map and see the detailed data on every planet in that system. So the stars and planets in this system are not scannable and not taggable.

 

[Svinoi Banana]

I got damned lucky!

I was heading to where the Thargoids have made an appearance, was taking 28 jumps to get there, where I honked & saw five planets unclaimed in a system where loads of others had been claimed.

Took me two more hours just to find a station with a place to sell the data. Made 600k & change on scans & five new discoveries in one system

https://imgur.com/QMrAAHY

Still haven't seen any Thargoids, but my first claims have made my day hehe.