Hardware & Technical News on AMD Radeon R9 480 - Maybe

Odd as it may sound, I actively enjoy trying to get the maximum performance from modest hardware. Not only does it save money, but it's also satisfying to do the tinkering and experimentation. I could afford to go out and buy a ready made top-spec PC every 12 months if I chose to, but I honestly enjoy tinkering too much, and i'd rather save the money for something else.

Seriously. Don't worry about the RX480's excess power draw. It's actually only slightly over spec and no hardware manufacturer on the planet is going to build kit that close - the warranty issues alone mean it doesn't make sense. You don't need to build durability obsolescence into computer components because they'll become outdated so fast, so most are built to last to avoid ELF and RMA issues, and are binned when they have years of service left in them. Including PSUs.

You have to understand. This spec is just an arbitrary spec (qualification, not specification) written down because there has to be one - it isn't some limit that if it's hit the motherboard bursts into flames or spontaneously reboots or something. It's simply a figure that is put in a spec as the minimum performance needed to be considered compliant with the standard. It's better if a card doesn't exceed it, but if it exceeds it by a modest amount nothing will happen unless some stupid git has built into the kit supplying the power (the PSU) a feature to detect the overdraw and limit it. Which I've never seen or heard of, as it wouldn't make sense to do it as you'd just get a reputation for building flakey kit.

Seriously. Unless you have a really, really crappy PSU that is really borderline (you know - the kind that comes with the case!), it'll be fine.
 
You have to understand. This spec is just an arbitrary spec (qualification, not specification) written down because there has to be one - it isn't some limit that if it's hit the motherboard bursts into flames or spontaneously reboots or something. It's simply a figure that is put in a spec as the minimum performance needed to be considered compliant with the standard. It's better if a card doesn't exceed it, but if it exceeds it by a modest amount nothing will happen unless some stupid git has built into the kit supplying the power (the PSU) a feature to detect the overdraw and limit it. Which I've never seen or heard of, as it wouldn't make sense to do it as you'd just get a reputation for building flakey kit.

Seriously. Unless you have a really, really crappy PSU that is really borderline (you know - the kind that comes with the case!), it'll be fine.

There are multiple misunderstandings there. A good technical but not too scary description of it is in a video made by PC Perspective, which shouldn't be hard to find on youtube. It explains exactly what the problem was. It is not, and never was, related to the computer PSU. Simply the 480 was taking more power through the motherboard slot than was rated, and those ratings has already been relaxed in the past so any headroom there might be would be expected to be much reduced. With the new driver redirecting the power draw more to the 6-pin connector and less from the slot, this should be a non-issue looking forward.

Look at it another way, if it really was nothing to worry about, there would be little reason for AMD to bother working out not just one fix, but two fixes for it: the standard fix, and the "compatibility" fix which really brings the power within spec.
 
Look at it another way, if it really was nothing to worry about, there would be little reason for AMD to bother working out not just one fix, but two fixes for it: the standard fix, and the "compatibility" fix which really brings the power within spec.

Yes, there is a reason. Threads like this could really damage the sales of the card, so they're providing a "fix" for the problem, even though in reality the problem doesn't exist.
 
Yes, there is a reason. Threads like this could really damage the sales of the card, so they're providing a "fix" for the problem, even though in reality the problem doesn't exist.

Dude...
Motherboards are equipped with a failsafe mechanism that shuts off the system if it's overloaded. This is why some people have experienced issues with the RX480. When the card draws more power than 75w from the slot, components could potentially take damage up until the failsafe activates.
The problem exists, Wether you like it, or see it, or not.
AMDs fix means the card now draws most of its power from the 6pin connector which is way safer...
 
Odd as it may sound, I actively enjoy trying to get the maximum performance from modest hardware. Not only does it save money, but it's also satisfying to do the tinkering and experimentation. I could afford to go out and buy a ready made top-spec PC every 12 months if I chose to, but I honestly enjoy tinkering too much, and i'd rather save the money for something else.

Seriously. Don't worry about the RX480's excess power draw. It's actually only slightly over spec and no hardware manufacturer on the planet is going to build kit that close - the warranty issues alone mean it doesn't make sense. You don't need to build durability obsolescence into computer components because they'll become outdated so fast, so most are built to last to avoid ELF and RMA issues, and are binned when they have years of service left in them. Including PSUs.

You have to understand. This spec is just an arbitrary spec (qualification, not specification) written down because there has to be one - it isn't some limit that if it's hit the motherboard bursts into flames or spontaneously reboots or something. It's simply a figure that is put in a spec as the minimum performance needed to be considered compliant with the standard. It's better if a card doesn't exceed it, but if it exceeds it by a modest amount nothing will happen unless some stupid git has built into the kit supplying the power (the PSU) a feature to detect the overdraw and limit it. Which I've never seen or heard of, as it wouldn't make sense to do it as you'd just get a reputation for building flakey kit.

Seriously. Unless you have a really, really crappy PSU that is really borderline (you know - the kind that comes with the case!), it'll be fine.

You are trying to fight physics, we all know the outcome of that battle, before it even starts.
You lose.
 
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Over on VideoCardz.com they have some comparison figures for the 3DMark Time benchmark. This benchmark is for DirectX 12 and is the first synthetic benchmark that is not a tech demo or in-game benchmark. Interesting but as yet I'm not sure how it actually relates to games.
If the figures do relate to games performance then it would seem to show that the RX 480 is only on par with the GTX 970. Which I imagine will not please the AMD fans, or be good for us as it could lead to only being one player in the market.

http://videocardz.com/62257/first-3dmark-time-spy-benchmarks-hit-the-web
 
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Over on VideoCardz.com they have some comparison figures for the 3DMark Time benchmark. This benchmark is for DirectX 12 and is the first synthetic benchmark that is not a tech demo or in-game benchmark. Interesting but as yet I'm not sure how it actually relates to games.
If the figures do relate to games performance then it would seem to show that the RX 480 is only on par with the GTX 970. Which I imagine will not please the AMD fans, or be good for us as it could lead to only being one player in the market.

http://videocardz.com/62257/first-3dmark-time-spy-benchmarks-hit-the-web

Funny you mention that. I was browsing the forums for something to do while 3dmark is downloading. Not bothered what score my card gets, just want to try it as it looks really gorgeous :)

*edit* scored 6225... too early to tell if that's a good score.
 
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People were wrong about the RX480 from the beginning. They said it was on par with the 980, which led people to believe it was automatically on par with the 980ti (as most people don't realise the huge difference between the 980 an 980ti),
which then led people claiming the 480 to just beat the 1070, which even further made people say it wasn't so far behind the 1080.
I saw this on Facebook so many times...

But, it's great to see that AMD's GCN architecture and hardware async support really pays off now with Vulkan. Give the market the Vega and it will be an interesting battle between the two teams.
Hopefully Nvidia will support async in the future as well, and not just "emulate" it as they're doing now.
 
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