Next Ship from VULTURE? (Pure Combat)

PerfectKill

PerfectKill
Hi there guys! First, sorry about my english. :)

I have a A-SPEC VULTURE, its very nice to shoot almost everything if you have good hands (wich i think i have lol). But every Knight always want the best, and im looking forward to my next ship. I have in assets aprox. 30mill on my Vulture, and then 22mill on Credits.

My normal next move will be the FER DE LANCE, but ive read so many negative reviews about manuver and bad pitch, and also the C2 mounts doesnt convince me, but i know its the next combat-ship from a Vulture, but what about the IMPERIAL CLIPPER (love the C3 mounts) or PYTHON ? I know, theyre expensive to equip, but i need them for combat right now...

What could be guys your recommendations for my next movement in a new ship? i need a goal in this case, i know i have to get some more credits, but i need to know what ship im planning to buy next :p

Thanks a lot for your advice.
 

Derath

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Its better in combat than a vulture, yes it handles worse - its almost like its a bigger ship with more firepower or something however it is a very similar principle but better.

You also can't listen to people who say the FDL's pitch is bad, buy a python instead, as the FDL is still considerably better than the python in terms of maneuverability.

That being said the python has ups and downs, it depends which side of the maneuverability spectrum you want to be on. Clippers worse than both, unless your aim is to PvP ships within a certain range.
 
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Alex Brentnall

Alex Brentnall
Both Python and Clipper means no power and heat problem once upgraded. They both have tons of space for shield cell banks etc.

For a good Clipper build (A rated) you probably need 100-120mil
For a good Python (A rated) it can be anything up to 170-200mil
(Both without armour and no discounts - you can get up to 20% off if you do it right)

Python is slower and more of a tank. It has better weapon placement so can be flown with fixed if done right. Has more hp and one of the best shields in the game.
Clipper is fast. Really fast. It has less weapons and the hardpoints are poorly placed so chaff is your enemy since gimballed weapons are practically a requirement.

Both will feel less manoeuvrable compared with the Vulture.


Personally I say if you are doing RES hunting then go for Clipper to get in and out of combat quickly.
If you are going Combat Zone then Python wins hands down since its a survivor.
If you are doing PVP then FDL or Python - I've seen Clipper used successfully PVP but its not ideal really imo.
 
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sbdags

sbdags
I went from the vulture to FDL and hated it. It took 80 mil to make it feel reasonable. Still hated it, so sold up and bought a vulture and asp ;)
 
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zzzornbringer

zzzornbringer
sure, the bigger ships all have superior firepower and cargo space than the puny vulture. but i personally prefer mobility/agility over firepower. at some point in the future, i may upgrade to a python or i may not, i don't know. i prefer the vulture over most of the bigger ships. but it's also a matter of aesthetics, not just agility. i really want the clipper, because it looks so damn nice. it may not fit me, because it's big and not very agile but it's just super sexy.

so, don't know if you can properly answer this question. i don't see many reasons to not stick to the vulture. it's strong, it's fast, it sounds nice. :D
 

deathmagnet

deathmagnet
Alex Brentnall said:
Both Python and Clipper means no power and heat problem once upgraded. They both have tons of space for shield cell banks etc.
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I have no issues with power on my Python. Don't know enough about the Clipper to comment for it.


Alex Brentnall said:
For a good Python (A rated) it can be anything up to 170-200mil
(Both without armour and no discounts - you can get up to 20% off if you do it right)
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Nailed it on price for a Python.
 

Darth Ender

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vulture yourself up until you can afford a well equipped FDL. That's what I did and it was definitely an improvement, especially if you're looking to go all combat and nothing else.
 

Colonel North

Colonel North
I would agree with all the above. The Vulture so 'efficient' and well priced for combat its hard to improve on without holding up the bank of zaonce. The other ships are either massively more expensive and/ or come with profound compromises.

If you're a more 'immersive' player it's less of a problem as you can enjoy the ships for what they are rather than how 'good' they are at grinding stats.
For example I love the Fer-de-lance. How it looks, feels, smells... All the things that people say are wrong with it are right, in many ways it's very flawed. But I like those flaws :)

Maybe hang on to the Vulture and get a second ship.

Get an ASP and go and exploring, embrace the thrill of professional fuel scooping... Get a Type 7 and embrace the grind of trading... Get an Eagle and rediscover how much more exciting combat is when the NPC's actually present a threat...
 
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Guidebot

Guidebot
The only ships that possibly can offer more than the vulture in combat are the Python, FDL and Anaconda. Some may argue the Clipper into it as well. Take your pick.
 

Frop

Frop
Colonel North said:
Get an Eagle and rediscover how much more exciting combat is when the NPC's actually present a threat...
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Dunno about you, but I still feel pretty threatened in any ship when 3-4 freshly spawned Anacondas and Pythons all aggro you at once in a high-intensity CZ (even more so with the new AI).
 

AnnuverScotinExile

AnnuverScotinExile
There is no such thing as 'a better ship' without having the context of how you want to play. Even if we assume pure combat, as the OP implies, combat in a RES compared to a CZ or after interdiction have slightly different focus, and thus we cannot assume a one ship fits all (Hooray, the last thing we want is an obvious 'best' ship in any class, because everyone will eventually have it).

The vulture was designed to be the top pure fighter in the game. After the whingers caused the price nerf, it became too cheap (IMHO) for the 'top fighter'. So what will happen next is anyone's guess. They might quietly nerf the vulture (cue whinges). They might come up with an even more powerful 'top fighter' (though that would surely be dangerously overpowered. Or they may do nothing and, essentially, everyone who wants to fight will fly a well spec'd vulture, until they can afford a bigger ship that fights well.
 

jmp470

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Inc you leave the vulture, you have to make a decision on the type of fighting you want to do!

the Python: is more of a tank that has great shields and looks to exchange blow to blow with the opponent. Smaller faster ships will fly circles around you, if you don't use FA off and learn to use lateral thrusters.

The Clipper: is more of a hit and run or hit and stay behind the target ship. It's shields are weaker, but it is significantly faster. Thus, it dictates the battle with speed and maneuverability versus shield and firepower as the Python does. Nothing can run from you, except a cobra, but, they are dead if they wait to run!

the FDL: I have not tried it, as I'm not leaving the Clipper!!!! I've read mixed reviews here on the forum.


I say, figure out how you want to fight. Lateral thrusts for Python, pitch and yaw for clipper!!!
 

CMDR Harada

CMDR Harada
30 million in a Vulture and another 20 mill in the bank won't go very far.
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I traded in my Vulture when I had 70 mill in assets for a Python. Figured I could make it work. NOPE. In stock form : Agility is awful, Shields like wet tissue paper, power is OK but not enough to run 3 large beams. Over heating was an issue until I upgraded to a better PP. Jump range was comparable to a Vulture, average with a class A drive.
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Tried trading for a bit. It worked, but I might as well have been driving a T7. Cargo hold was bigger in the Python, but so was fuel and repair costs. Combat didn't begin to get better until I had class B thrusters, Class A FSD, Class C PP, Class A PD, and Class C shields. Just doing that with 3 large beam lasers will set you back an additional 35mill over the 55mill buy in. Add in two insurance re-buys.. and you're right at 100mill. I really needed better shields ( Pythons real strength ) and a few SCBs and boosters, Class a thrusters, plus better sensors, a good KWS, and upgraded armor. You don't start to shine until you pass the 120mill mark. That 170 mill mark is spot on for a hard core battle python.
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Do yourself a favor : Don't jump up to a Python without at least 100mil. I traded back to my Vulture and am far happier. I have 60 mill in the bank, and climbing. RES sites are a blast, CZ zones even better with the new CB payouts. I can clear a good 1.5 mill an hour.
 

Grecian

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what the man above said. I had the exact same experience with the Python, ended up trading it back and going to my old Vulture.

No need to 'upgrade' when I'm having so much fun. With 1mil of insurance, sometimes I don't even care if I get done and I fight with a death wish against Anacondas.

Hands down the best fighting ship.
 

PerfectKill

PerfectKill
Wow, so many answers in such a short time LOL! Thanks to all in the first place, for the different experiences with the dif.ships!! For what im seeing i have one of the best "fighting" ships in the game (thats assuming its in the right hands LOL). So, my toughts/conclusions after reading all the posts:

PTYTHON: I dont think that im near this beast, for the time being, with all the "must-do" upgrades to make it work.
CLIPPER: I love the looks, and the feel of the ship for what i saw, im OK with the gimballed, no issue there with me at least. Its good if its fast, it doesnt matter if its not that agile... I need more cash and more rank, so this can be a future upgrade. right? Cause it really packs a punch this ship.
FDL: Many of you says that is the next ship to buy if its well equipped. Its an improvement if i wanted it only for combat. ps: Its good with only C2 and just 1 C4 ? Its really an upgrade from a Vulture in FIREPOWER?

Most of you were asking what combat i do, well, i try everything so i dont get bored. Right now im doing hunting missions to get a naval ascension (still bugged), sometimes try to undermine, other days go to a RES, yesterday went to a CRIME SWEEP. So as you can see, i like to try everything combat related, all PVE, didnt tried PVP yet, not once, and yes im always in OPEN PLAY.

I think will be in my Vulture for some time, cause i need more credits, and MAYBE, i wont change it, its an AMAZING ship and i love it (and if i change, in the future i will buy it back). Its just that i need to make myself with an objective in the game, apart from the powerplay, so thats why im looking forward to my next ship.
 
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CMDR Nightjar

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From what I've read - stick with your Vulture, top it to 'best you can' ... and then try open/pvp. It's the best ship to try it all out with - and it sounds like you'll enjoy the experience!
DON'T fly without insurance! You'll need it when you switch 'modes'.
Fly safe (ironic)
 
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