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General / Off-Topic Nigel Farage says EU gangsters owe the UK billions
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IIRC at this time the Soviets were allied to Germany and had plans to divide up the west European countries. Russia didn't go against Germany until the Germans attacked them and if it wasn't for a particularly harsh winter even by Russian standards they might have done some serious damage and got to Moscow.
There are loads of things that happened in WW2 which are not relevant to the current situation of Brexit.
The most Simple Reason why no Major Power will start Investing into Africa. Is because this would Cut into their own Legs.
Make no Mistake here. The West is Civilized but not Fair.
Africa is an Good Exporter of Ressources. And thats a Huge Profit for the Western World. Because Cheap Ressources for Big Industry is Importand for the West to Continue being Wealthy.
If Africa would be Build Up to an Industrial Level. This however would no longer be the case. Africa would need its Ressources itself. Moreover these Ressources would become more Expensive as there would be more and better Jobs in Africa thus resulting in Workforce becoming more Expensive.
You can Imagine India and Africa being Build up by the UK and thus becoming real Big Powers.
Sooner or later this will happen without the UK as well anyways because even without Help these Countries are on their Way to Become Big Players.
BUT.
The UK would then Effectively Dwarf itself. as it would create Powers which are Stronger than its own and which would not like being bossed around. On top the UK would still be an Import Dependent Economy. This will never Change.
So it would now depend on these New Powers.
See Mate.
The Reason why an Commonwealth Market would never Work.
Is the same Reason as why the UK left the EU in the First Place.
The UK wont be satisfied unless it has "Control" but this can only work as long as the UK works with exclusively Inferior Partners which accept a System where the UK has Control.
The Idea of the Commonwealth comes from the Imperial Time. The Idea that the UK as the Old Lord will be welcomed to take back Control and take its Place as the Dominating Power of this Bloc.
But why should these Countries with a much bigger Power Potential Accept the UKs Control ?
Ultimately it would be the same as the EU.
The Other Powers would outvote the UK in Decisions. And the UK would become more and more Unhappy thus at some point leaving that Bloc.
If the UK was able to work in an Role where it does have to obey others sometimes due to being outvoted. It would not leave the EU in the first place
The same reason as why I am not worried about Turkey and Russia ever working together on more than single Projects.
Russia wont Accept an Equal Role to someone who is much less Powerful. And Turkey wont Accept an Submissive Role regardless of what.
The UK is the same. it wont Accept an Equal Role to someone who is less Powerful.
Thats how Empires Think. Rule by Power.
Why should the Big and Mighty UK have only Equal Rights to an small and Weak Country like Belgium
Thats unfortunately still an widespread of way thinking nowdays.
And of course this way of thinking does not Pair well with Globalism where you try to work with anyone and everyone.
Make no Mistake here. The West is Civilized but not Fair.
Africa is an Good Exporter of Ressources. And thats a Huge Profit for the Western World. Because Cheap Ressources for Big Industry is Importand for the West to Continue being Wealthy.
If Africa would be Build Up to an Industrial Level. This however would no longer be the case. Africa would need its Ressources itself. Moreover these Ressources would become more Expensive as there would be more and better Jobs in Africa thus resulting in Workforce becoming more Expensive.
You can Imagine India and Africa being Build up by the UK and thus becoming real Big Powers.
Sooner or later this will happen without the UK as well anyways because even without Help these Countries are on their Way to Become Big Players.
BUT.
The UK would then Effectively Dwarf itself. as it would create Powers which are Stronger than its own and which would not like being bossed around. On top the UK would still be an Import Dependent Economy. This will never Change.
So it would now depend on these New Powers.
See Mate.
The Reason why an Commonwealth Market would never Work.
Is the same Reason as why the UK left the EU in the First Place.
The UK wont be satisfied unless it has "Control" but this can only work as long as the UK works with exclusively Inferior Partners which accept a System where the UK has Control.
The Idea of the Commonwealth comes from the Imperial Time. The Idea that the UK as the Old Lord will be welcomed to take back Control and take its Place as the Dominating Power of this Bloc.
But why should these Countries with a much bigger Power Potential Accept the UKs Control ?
Ultimately it would be the same as the EU.
The Other Powers would outvote the UK in Decisions. And the UK would become more and more Unhappy thus at some point leaving that Bloc.
If the UK was able to work in an Role where it does have to obey others sometimes due to being outvoted. It would not leave the EU in the first place
The same reason as why I am not worried about Turkey and Russia ever working together on more than single Projects.
Russia wont Accept an Equal Role to someone who is much less Powerful. And Turkey wont Accept an Submissive Role regardless of what.
The UK is the same. it wont Accept an Equal Role to someone who is less Powerful.
Thats how Empires Think. Rule by Power.
Why should the Big and Mighty UK have only Equal Rights to an small and Weak Country like Belgium
Thats unfortunately still an widespread of way thinking nowdays.
And of course this way of thinking does not Pair well with Globalism where you try to work with anyone and everyone.
Pretty much beaten to the punch by the Chinese who already have made massive investments and deals with East Africa for raw materials and influence. Bribery and corruption are rife in that part of the world and China has less scruples (and deeper pockets, and bigger sticks) than the UK. You can bet the various trade ministers and foreign ministers are all doing very nicely out of the current situation with China.....
Whilst it's true the EU is fairly protectionist about agriculture from outside the EU, it actually creates preferential trade deals for poorer nations. An excellent example is bananas which are preferentially imported from the Caribbean and other ex colonies of various EU nations whilst tariffs against south American produces (who are owned by US companies) are kept high.
This is done as a development measure for those countries whose economies are very dependent on banana exports to the EU.
It is also much to the dismay of the US companies (and gov) who would love to be able to export to the EU.
This came to a head in a decade long trade war between the US and EU where various goods had punitive tariffs slapped on them (rather bizarrely Scottish Haggis to the US was one IIRC) over bananas despite the fact that neither the US or EU actually grow any......(look up banana wars)
actually we have already done this. in the 90's around 30% of the worlds population lived in absolute poverty. That figure has been halved in less than 30 years. It's now less than 15%.
One of the big drivers of this has been China (and India) growing their economies lifting literally billions out of poverty.
In Ebbw Vale the money was spent on collages , a library, a sports centre, regenerating the high street, a new rail line and a dual carriageway extension to improve the transport links. Has every penny been spent wisely? Probably not but a large amount has been pumped into a very deprived area.
What else should the EU do? Offer money to entice companies to relocate to west wales?
Strangely enough the idea that the EU offered money to entice companies to deprived parts of Eastern Europe and Turkey (it didn't BTW - like Ebbw Vale it built roads and infra structure to make it more attractive for companies to move there and some did) was held up as an example of the "EU gone mad" - yet people seem to be perfectly happy if the EU were to do the exact same thing but in their favour?
As a side note I too find the complete lack of awareness of what the EU is very annoying, but probably not in the sense you do.....
Who are now pretty concerned about Brexit.
http://www.ictsd.org/bridges-news/b...egotiating-chair-overshadows-farm-trade-talks
EDIT: Given that the EU already gives developing nations a deal which basically aids them, it's difficult to see how the UK on its own will compete with that. Replacing the EU with Africa is an idea that isn't going to happen in this reality.
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